The EU Migrant Crisis

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FoxEye said:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...s-sacrifice-of-women-to-political-correctness

77% of rape in Sweden committed by immigrants.

Employment rate among immigrants about 50%.

I guess they've just got a lot more time for raping than the indigenous people.
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Compare total number of sexual offences committed by imigrants between the UK and Sweden and then I think you'll see the point Burnsy is trying to make.

Both numbers incidently should be zero in my mind - but implying that Sweden has a bigger issue than the UK (or any other EU country) which is directly attributable to immigrants is misleading and demonstrates a severe defficiency of critical thinking skills for the person making that link.
 
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in fact, I'll step out of this as its now got back onto the subject of muslamic rape gangs swarming the borders again, hope it gets back on track in a few days.
 
FoxEye said:
Yeah I read it. Which means the headline of the article was incorrect. There is still a lot of stuff in the article which they couldn't have simply lied about, as it appears in a number of other articles, and has as its source a Swedish national monitoring agency.

Sweden does have a problem with immigrant rapists.
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People can fabricate anything if they want. You can take statistics out of context to make them say pretty much anything if people don't look at them close enough. If you want to find something that supports your opinion without looking too deeply then I'm sure that article looks fine.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Compare total number of sexual offences committed by imigrants between the UK and Sweden and then I think you'll see the point Burnsy is trying to make.

Both numbers incidently should be zero in my mind - but implying that Sweden has a bigger issue than the UK (or any other EU country) which is directly attributable to immigrants is misleading and demonstrates a severe defficiency of critical thinking skills for the person making that link.
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You've lost me.

Statistically 77% of rapes are by immigrants. Those are Swedish authorities' own numbers.

How is that not a link between immigration and rape? I genuinely must be too stupid to understand how 77% of rape being by committed by immigrants does not mean what I think it means.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Nope, Egypt, Iraq and Lebanon can be added to the list and Turkey as over 2m of them.
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So talking of taking statistics out of context to say pretty much anything you want...

So not a majority of the nearby countries then? And you are including total number of refugee's from various conflicts not just the numbers from what was proposed to be a "syrian refugee influx" which is the topic at hand?
 
FoxEye said:
You've lost me.

Statistically 77% of rapes are by immigrants. Those are Swedish authorities' own numbers.

How is that not a link between immigration and rape? I genuinely must be too stupid to understand how 77% of rape being by committed by immigrants does not mean what I think it means.
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Since you're making these claims, can I have a link to a primary source of these statistics, ideally from a national statistics agency like the ONS or something similar?
 
Nutella33 said:
So talking of taking statistics out of context to say pretty much anything you want...

So not a majority of the nearby countries then? And you are including total number of refugee's from various conflicts not just the numbers from what was proposed to be a "syrian refugee influx" which is the topic at hand?
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Other than Egypt they all border Syria. That surely means that the majority of nearby countries have taken refugees?

Oh and I'll admit I made an inaccurate assertion it's not over 2m, it's 1.94m Syrians registered in Turkey as of 25/08/15

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Other than Egypt they all border Syria. That surely means that the majority of nearby countries have taken refugees?

Oh and I'll admit I made an inaccurate assertion it's not over 2m, it's 1.94m Syrians registered in Turkey as of 25/08/15

http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php
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No? given the ability for this refugee influx to get to northern Europe and considering the question that was asked was "rich arab countries" why not look elsewhere on the peninsula? If egypt counts we should be looking more immediate than direct neighbours.

Lets seek the Kuwaiti offical view (not adverse to refugee's in the past) ...

Oh and I'll admit I made an inaccurate assertion
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how gracious of you. Would you care to wallow in the irony of making a high minded statement about selective use of data and then doing it in the next post or does that not suit sir?
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
Since you're making these claims, can I have a link to a primary source of these statistics, ideally from a national statistics agency like the ONS or something similar?
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Instead of posting the article (which you will probably say has an anti-immigration bias), I will post the sources cited in the article.

If you google "77.6 percent rape sweden" you will find it has been copied around and reposted everywhere. That in itself does not prove anything, but there is plenty of opportunity for it to be debunked or challenged, and not much of that going on.

Data Sources and links (in Swedish language)

BRÅ-Report 1996:2 “of immigrants and immigrants’ children’s Crime”
BRÅ-report 2005:17 “Criminality among persons born in Sweden and abroad.”
BRÅ-Report 2000:6 “Young people who rob people”
Foreign or Swedish background (fine structure), the entire kingdom, after the age of ten classes and gender. In 2002-2011
Population Demographics 1999 Part 3
Post-war immigration and emigration
Statistics on reported crime
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Unless you speak Swedish it might be hard to verify.

Apparently (you would probably be able to confirm this) sometime after the 2005 report they stopped recording nationality of offenders, or stopped publishing this data. So more up-to-date reports can never be made. A lot of people are saying this is a deliberate attempt to cover it all up.
 
Nutella33 said:
Would you care to wallow in the irony of making a high minded statement about selective use of data and then doing it in the next post or does that not suit sir?
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The statistic was there to highlight that the immediate neighbours to Syria are bearing much of the burden and that point holds water as per my source.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
The statistic was there to highlight that the immediate neighbours to Syria are bearing much of the burden and that point holds water as per my source.
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So you were selecting the data and also selecting a question that wasn't asked (Which originally again, was asking about the rich arab states involvement - not the neighbours ) to one you preferred to fit your agenda instantly after taking a high ground against statistical manipulation?

powerful hubris. well done.
 
FoxEye said:
Instead of posting the article (which you will probably say has an anti-immigration bias), I will post the sources cited in the article.

If you google "77.6 percent rape sweden" you will find it has been copied around and reposted everywhere. That in itself does not prove anything, but there is plenty of opportunity for it to be debunked or challenged, and not much of that going on.



Unless you speak Swedish it might be hard to verify.

Apparently (you would probably be able to confirm this) sometime after the 2005 report they stopped recording nationality of offenders, or stopped publishing this data. So more up-to-date reports can never be made. A lot of people are saying this is a deliberate attempt to cover it all up.
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Lmfao...

GG Sweden.
 
Caged said:
Knock yourself out: https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home.html

I can't even find a breakdown of crime by nationality.
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Yes apparently (tho I cannot confirm) they stopped reporting crime by nationality or immigration status.

You can draw you own conclusion on why they might want to do that, given that their govt is very, very pro immigration. Maybe they didn't like what they saw in the data.

Or maybe I'm wrong and it's all a big anti-muslim conspiracy. Because: racism.
 
Or you could form opinions based on evidence instead of things you make up. That's also an option. The only places I can find beating the 77% drum have a very plain agenda. Their links to the sources are not actually sources to back the articles up.
 
Of course, it couldn't be true. Muslims don't operate gangs that groom and rape western girls.

The very thought is ridiculous. Just ask the Rotherham police, they'll tell you the same thing. It's all made up, so no reason to investigate...
 
So because some Muslim men have raped people before, you feel justified in repeating the 77% figure even though you have no idea where it came from and if it's anywhere close to being accurate?
 
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