The EU Migrant Crisis

[StriderX]

My thoughts are that the flow will keep coming in ever increasing numbers although the winter will slow it down. Then eventually after a few years of this happening the housing prices (and therefore rent) will skyrocket as the ones that don't have children will know that if they have a child they will automatically get to the top of the list especially if they have more. The burden of housing benefits which are now inflated coupled with cash benefit payments (many are uneducated/don't speak the local language/have no skills that are useful) most are unemployable and therefore don't pay taxes. Education places, health places (doctors and hospitals) will not be sustainable in the short term and the system will collapse or at least become intolerable as numbers rise.
This could end up a civil war in a short period unless Europe can keep a lid on it. I don't think it can be done personally, unless the flow is slowed right down.

Civil war is a term best used elsewhere, what is most likely is that fringe parties become the norm and the EU grinds to a halt.

After that I wouldnt be surprised at a few pogroms.

 

[scotty365]

Civil war is a term best used elsewhere, what is most likely is that fringe parties become the norm and the EU grinds to a halt.

After that I wouldnt be surprised at a few pogroms.

I agree it's possible but I'm not so sure that in an internet age that a few pogroms wouldn't just end up in total civil war - a massive breakdown in society coupled with a muslim/european divide.

 

[itchy]

If any of what he said is real then I'd assume the reason he isn't invited over is because of his leaking bigotry.

Do you want pictures ?

They don't ask now because they understand my position.

Wait till next spring and summer it will be millions not thousands.

As someone said Germany has opened Pandora`s box.

It will never end until we are killing each other on the streets.

 

[bloodiedathame]

Would people be happier if refugees weren't a permanent fixture and their status reviewed every X years in order for them to return home?

 

[Sagalout]

There are some real drama queens on here!

Civil war? Just lol. We've had this nearly every decade and most people get along just fine.

 

[itchy]

There are some real drama queens on here!

Civil war? Just lol. We've had this nearly every decade and most people get along just fine.

I think you will find this will no longer be the case in the next few years.

If your a single male in Liverpool wanting a house from the council, the waiting list is 3 years.

If I am Isham bull manure or Ackvar lorry slasher from Syria?
Waiting time is cut to 0 days.

This is the issue, we cannot home our own let alone immigrants.

Its just ****ing madness.

 

[Chojin]

There are some real drama queens on here!

Civil war? Just lol. We've had this nearly every decade and most people get along just fine.

Well the people coming over know a lot about civil war.

Lets not forget that many of these people have watched and implicitly supported ISIS executions on the streets of Raqqa and Kobane as if it was a gruesome spectacle.

 

[Danthus]

Well, the population increased 1.5 million from 2011 to 2014....I don't remember 5 new cities the size of Cardiff being built in the last 4 years, can you remind me where they are?

Higher rents, a shortage of houses, budgets cuts, pressure on public services.

Something really doesn't stack up.

 

[FoxEye]

Higher rents, a shortage of houses, budgets cuts, pressure on public services.

Something really doesn't stack up.

Down here all the proper houses are being turned into flats, so you can now get 2 or 3 families into one house Pack 'em in nice and tight!

We're going to end up living like the mexican immigrant stereotype. 8 people in one room

 

[Boycey0211]

Down here all the proper houses are being turned into flats, so you can now get 2 or 3 families into one house Pack 'em in nice and tight!

We're going to end up living like the mexican immigrant stereotype. 8 people in one room

Thats more greed though rather than need, not surprised people are trying to pack more people in for extra cash, capitalism baby

 

[estebanrey]

Would people be happier if refugees weren't a permanent fixture and their status reviewed every X years in order for them to return home?

Wouldn't work, at least whilst we are subject to the ECHR. The infamous 'right to a family life' would be too easily invoked. Any children born to a refugee will be a British Citizen and therefore their parents couldn't be deported and any other family would claim the above and be able to stay also. Then of course there's marriages (genuine and sham) and illness.

BTW, I'm not some Daily Mail-reading, "don't let any foreigners in" type. Just pointing out why the idea of temporary fixture wouldn't work. The point is, how ever many we take, we have to accept a significant proportion of them will stay indefinitely and think about the consequences of that increase in population.

 

[Sagalout]

I think you will find this will no longer be the case in the next few years.

If your a single male in Liverpool wanting a house from the council, the waiting list is 3 years.

If I am Isham bull manure or Ackvar lorry slasher from Syria?
Waiting time is cut to 0 days.

This is the issue, we cannot home our own let alone immigrants.

Its just ****ing madness.

If you're a single male from Liverpool you've had amazing chances in life including free education, so why are you waiting for a house? Get a job and rent one privately like most of the rest of the country.

...and immigrants don't get preferential treatment, at least not in the same circumstances (single males).

Also been hearing the same 'the people will rise up...blah blah' for years now. Didn't they try to do some anti-immigrant march the other week in Liverpool which had to be cancelled due to the vast majority of decent people, who realise that Liverpool was quite literally built on immigration, being against it

 

[FoxEye]

Thats more greed though rather than need, not surprised people are trying to pack more people in for extra cash, capitalism baby

Yes, and we all know how unrestricted/unrestrained capitalism works. If blowing up the world was profitable enough, a true capitalist would be on hand to press the button

That's why other countries (ones with better QoL indexes than ours) have implemented minimum standards for living accommodation. Space, furnishing, and even rent caps. Our govt simply does not give a rats bottom.

Let's remember shall we, that some of the condemned housing in London, where people were living in absolutely squalor, was owned by sitting MPs. Half the houses on that awful programme "benefits street" were owned by MPs. I'm not advocating that programme, btw

 

[Danthus]

If you're a single male from Liverpool you've had amazing chances in life including free education, so why are you waiting for a house? Get a job and rent one privately like most of the rest of the country.

Single male rents a house £600 per months.

Four immigrants share a house, £150 per month rent.

But they all earn minimum wage.

 

[estebanrey]

I think you will find this will no longer be the case in the next few years.

If your a single male in Liverpool wanting a house from the council, the waiting list is 3 years.

If I am Isham bull manure or Ackvar lorry slasher from Syria?
Waiting time is cut to 0 days.

This is the issue, we cannot home our own let alone immigrants.

Its just ****ing madness.

To be fair that's a bit apples and oranges. Whilst there is a point with the homeless, single man in Liverpool is likely not sleeping on the streets with no food. He's probably in temporary accommodation that isn't ideal but luxurious compared to sleeping by the side of the road in Calais.

Objectively the refugee's need is greater than single man in Liverpool, it's rather more subjective and debatable about whether that greater need should be overtaken by whether you were born in this country or not.

 

[413x]

It will lead to fringe groups getting in. Ukip must be licking their lips

 

[estebanrey]

Single male rents a house £600 per months.

Four immigrants share a house, £150 per month rent.

But they all earn minimum wage.

Is single man banned from getting three other people to live with him?

Also single man is getting a house to himself and not having to live cheek-to-jowl with 3 other people.

Your argument is as stupid as me saying it's not fair my co-workers give each other a lift and save more money on petrol than me because I drive to work alone.

 

[FoxEye]

To be fair that's a bit apples and oranges. Whilst there is a point with the homeless, single man in Liverpool is likely not sleeping on the streets with no food. He's probably in temporary accommodation that isn't ideal but luxurious compared to sleeping by the side of the road in Calais.

Objectively the refugee's need is greater than single man in Liverpool, it's rather more subjective and debatable about whether that greater need should be overtaken by whether you were born in this country or not.

In that scenario why not put the migrant into temporary accommodation? It's a great step up, like you said. He should be grateful enough, no?

 

[opethdisciple]

I said to my mate at work that it's only a matter of time until ISIS use the migrant crisis to get jihadis in to the UK.

Well seems they are already on it.

I have sympathy for the migrants, but jihadis will slip in like trojan horses.

 

[itchy]

To be fair that's a bit apples and oranges. Whilst there is a point with the homeless, single man in Liverpool is likely not sleeping on the streets with no food. He's probably in temporary accommodation that isn't ideal but luxurious compared to sleeping by the side of the road in Calais.

Objectively the refugee's need is greater than single man in Liverpool, it's rather more subjective and debatable about whether that greater need should be overtaken by whether you were born in this country or not.

Am not single I own a home with my partner.

A refugees need is greater than a single UK born citizen from any city in the UK.

Its people like you that **** me off.