The EU Migrant Crisis

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FoxEye said:
Heh, in both the Telegraph and Express polls at least 96% voted for "Close the borders." :p
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Germany can cope with at least 500,000 asylum seekers a year for several years, Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel has said.

Germany expects more than 800,000 asylum-seekers in 2015 alone - four times the 2014 figure.

Mr Gabriel reiterated that other EU states should share the burden.

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Despite the huge influx expected into Germany this year, Mr Gabriel said it was prepared for more in the longer term.

"I believe we could certainly deal with something in the order of a half a million for several years," he said in an interview with Germany's public ZDF television.

But he also urged other members of the EU to play their part.

The EU is due to unveil proposals on Wednesday to distribute 160,000 refugees among member states on a mandatory basis.

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The UNHCR meanwhile highlighted the growing scale of the migrant issue, releasing new figures that suggest it expects 400,000 migrants to arrive in Europe by sea in 2015.

The majority are Syrian, and the UN says many are now seeking a better life in Europe because of poor conditions in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon - caused in part because of a drastic shortfall in multilateral aid programmes.

The UN's special representative for migration, Peter Sutherland, said several wealthy countries, such as the US and Gulf states, had in fact been generous in contributing financially to help improve the lives of Syrians in countries neighbouring Syria.

But this was no substitute for taking migrants in. "Buying your way out of this is not satisfactory," he said.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34185353
 
FoxEye said:
In that scenario why not put the migrant into temporary accommodation? It's a great step up, like you said. He should be grateful enough, no?
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Well despite working for a local authority I don't know much about housing policy but I would suspect that if single-man from Liverpool is on the waiting list for a council flat (I doubt any single person would get a whole house) and single Syrian refugee comes along, then the former would get the flat and the latter would have his old room in temporary accommodation.

I strongly suspect the notion that immigrants turn up and are given council houses on day 1 is a Daily Mail myth driven by the basic and wilful ignorance that housing is allocated by need and then by your place in the queue, not just the latter.

So if a 3 bedroom house becomes available then sure Syrian refugee family will get it over single man from Liverpool, because it fits their need and the temporary accommodation suited for single man from Liverpool isn't so moving them in order of wait time doesn't work.
 
Sagalout said:
If you're a single male from Liverpool you've had amazing chances in life including free education, so why are you waiting for a house? Get a job and rent one privately like most of the rest of the country.

...and immigrants don't get preferential treatment, at least not in the same circumstances (single males).

Also been hearing the same 'the people will rise up...blah blah' for years now. Didn't they try to do some anti-immigrant march the other week in Liverpool which had to be cancelled due to the vast majority of decent people, who realise that Liverpool was quite literally built on immigration, being against it
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You really don't know what is going on. That's all bull with the anti-immigration march, staged like everything else. :rolleyes:
I can see it in peoples faces and the way they are now looking at immigrants and foreign people.

They are looked up and down by 50-60 year old women, something is in the air and it stinks of ****! :mad:
 
dlite said:
If majority of people voted for criminalising gay sex, should we do so or not?
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Do you want to live in a democratic state or not? If yes.... then it would be following the process even if you personally did not agree with it. If no then why should the state who derives power from the people and is often more conservative than their populations, impose an unpopular minority viewpoint? You will tend to find that the people are the liberalising effect on the government, not the other way around.
 
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itchy said:
Am not single I own a home with my partner. :confused:
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I was replying to your post, you know the one where you gave the example of "single man from Liverpool waiting for a house?

itchy said:
If your [sic] a single male in Liverpool wanting a house from the council, the waiting list is 3 years. :eek: If I am Isham bull manure or Ackvar lorry slasher from Syria?
Waiting time is cut to 0 days. :rolleyes:
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itchy said:
A refugees need is greater than a single UK born citizen from any city in the UK. :rolleyes:

That's what I said.

itchy said:
Its people like you that **** me off. :mad:
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People that can use logic and rationality, and don't just rely on blind Daily Mail myths?
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Nutella33 said:
Do you want to live in a democratic state or not? If yes.... then it would be following the process. If no then why should the state who derives power from the people and is often more conservative than their populations, impose an unpopular minority viewpoint?
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So slavery should never have been abolished (or at least a lot later than it was) in your opinion?

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.”

Benjamin Franklin
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itchy said:
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People that can use logic and rationality, and don't just rely on blind Daily Mail myths?
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I take my daughter to school every day and pick her up, I can see peoples reactions and demure changing.

I am very good at reading peoples faces.

We just have to say NO!

It cannot go on indefinitely, come on even every liberal knows that. Or is that beyond comprehension and reasoning? :confused:
 
dlite said:
If majority of people voted for criminalising gay sex, should we do so or not?
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It's OK, the Telegraph and Express are (allegedly, I don't read them) fairly right wing publications. The overall tone of the country is probably more evenly split. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the majority were somewhat concerned, at least.

I just thought it was pretty amazing that the voting was so one-sided. Don't normally see polls like that.
 
The distribution of asylum applicants by sex shows that men were more likely than women to seek asylum. Across the EU-28, the gender distribution was most balanced for asylum applicants aged less than 14, where boys accounted for 53 % of the total number of applications in 2014. There was a greater degree of gender inequality for asylum applicants aged 14–17 or 18–34, where around three quarters of applicants were male.
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http://ec.europa.eu/.../statistics.../mobile/index.php... statistics&lg=en

Everyone states these are all refugees and yet 3/4 of refugees are MALE. I guess the females are back in syria with the kids doing the fighting and waiting for the plane tickets to come through.
 
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Sagalout said:
If you're a single male from Liverpool you've had amazing chances in life including free education, so why are you waiting for a house? Get a job and rent one privately like most of the rest of the country.

...and immigrants don't get preferential treatment, at least not in the same circumstances (single males).
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Single male get less than nothing in this country but pay more than others in this country.
 
itchy said:
I take my daughter to school every day and pick her up, I can see peoples reactions and demure changing.

I am very good at reading peoples faces.

We just have to say NO!

It cannot go on indefinitely, come on even every liberal knows that. Or is that beyond comprehension and reasoning? :confused:
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Ooooohhhhhh K!

I'm confused as to what that has to do with me pointing out the flaw with your "housing should be allocated by how long you've waited and not by need" argument.

But anyway, I haven't even stated my stance on how many refugees we should take and how we should house them, so your assumption I'm for unfettered immigration just because I point out a problem with a tired anti-immigration argument tells me quite a bit about your political stance in life.

I'm not sure basing a policy on how we deal with this massive crisis on your analysis of a rather selective group of people's facial expressions is the best system we can use.

Oh and I think you meant "demeanor", 'demure' is to be shy and coy (which sadly you're not).
 
Dunno why people are focusing on the cultural aspect or desirability, etc. - its something a lot of people seem to be missing that there is a much bigger problem building up than the nature of the people involved.
 
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