Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

[Raumarik]

Never mind Scotland having another vote as to whether they stay in or not. Turn the tables, lets have an England, Wales and NI vote as to whether we kick them out. I can guarantee they'd hate that but it would play into SNP hands perfectly, the Evil English booting us out of the UK blah blah blah.

Let them run their own country for a few months, there'd be a hell of a lot of immigration that year.

Grab a map, immigration wouldn't be a problem for Scotland as the main border for it is controlled by the French into the south of England. Not many will manage to get through those waters all the way up to Scotland as there simply isn't the boats for it, so their only option is to come via England.

Apart from anything else England, Wales and NI would vote to keep Scotland in, there's far too many benefits of doing so, as much as you may want to say otherwise. Outside of London there are precious free regions which contribute to the treasury, Scotland is one of those, vast swathes of England do not, NI certainly doesn't.

 

[Aldav]

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Apart from anything else England, Wales and NI would vote to keep Scotland in, there's far too many benefits of doing so, as much as you may want to say otherwise. Outside of London there are precious free regions which contribute to the treasury, Scotland is one of those, vast swathes of England do not, NI certainly doesn't.

That assumes voters would act in an entirely rational manner, based on a that as a sound analysis of economic benefit. I'm not convinced they necessarily would. Among those I've discussed it with, a high proportion are sick of Salmond/Sturgeon and the SNP in general, and there's a kind of transference that ascribes that to Scotland as a whole, whether fairly or not. The scale of the SNP rout of Labour, and pretty much everyone else, at the general election is seen as an endorsement of that. If the objective of the SNP is to provoke resentments, I'd say they've done a bang-up, first class job.

 

[lovelyhead]

The same problem that many other small nations face. Lack of a stable and dependable income. All comes back to money.

As for what is unique about Scotland? Absolutely nothing.

Lack of stable and dependable income? What are you on about.

Scotland produces textiles, whisky and shortbread to jet engines, buses, computer software, ships, avionics and microelectronics to banking, insurance, investment management and other related financial services to name just a few.

Plus oil.

Plus Tourism.

Plus massive potential for renewable energy. The greatest in Europe.

Scotland is the third largest contributor in taxes to the UK behind only the south east and London.

You are living in fantasy land son.

That assumes voters would act in an entirely rational manner

You are quite right. If this thread is anything to go by, the unionists are anything but rational!

 

[davisdavid]

I hoped they'd vote yes last time round so we could cut them off completely but in hindsight I'm glad they stayed as at least this way they can be controlled considering the 'refugees' trying to make it to the UK. Cameron has taken a good stance against the subject in my eyes with a measured and considered plan of action; but if Scotland were independent I have no doubt that the left SNP would allow 20/30/40 thousand immigrants in to Scotland so that they could join the EU and we all know which direction they would head from there. The union of the UK and Scotland is the lesser of two evils at present and will be for the forseeable future.

 

[Elixir]

Grab a map, immigration wouldn't be a problem for Scotland as the main border for it is controlled by the French into the south of England. Not many will manage to get through those waters all the way up to Scotland as there simply isn't the boats for it, so their only option is to come via England.

Yeah, pretty sure he was implying Scotland -> England migration.

 

[lovelyhead]

I hoped they'd vote yes last time round so we could cut them off completely

I think you have that backwards sonny! If we voted for independence we would be the one's cutting you off! That is kind of the point no?

but in hindsight I'm glad they stayed as at least this way they can be controlled

Ah unionist true colours being exposed here! We are a people that have to be controlled! Sounds just like British colonialism does it not! Little Englander's still thinking they have an empire!

considering the 'refugees' trying to make it to the UK. Cameron has taken a good stance against the subject in my eyes with a measured and considered plan of action; but if Scotland were independent I have no doubt that the left SNP would allow 20/30/40 thousand immigrants in to Scotland so that they could join the EU and we all know which direction they would head from there. The union of the UK and Scotland is the lesser of two evils at present and will be for the forseeable future.

If an Independent Scotland want's to take in refugee's / migrants then that would be our decision. You think keeping us in the union against our will (assuming there is a will to separate) would be OK so long as it stops refugee's / migrants moving to England. Sounds a bit oppressive / xenophobic / racist to me. I suppose that comes naturally to you unionists though.

 

[naefeart]

Hey, hey. Let's calm down. It's not the Irn Bru that's to blame here.

 

[yonderblue]

I blame the Daily Mail readers.

 

[TwsT]

Hey, hey. Let's calm down. It's not the Irn Bru that's to blame here.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Hey, hey. Let's calm down. It's not the Irn Bru that's to blame here.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/computer-buff-designs-worlds-first-6403718

 

[Five.Stars]

Lack of stable and dependable income? What are you on about.

Scotland produces textiles, whisky and shortbread to jet engines, buses, computer software, ships, avionics and microelectronics to banking, insurance, investment management and other related financial services to name just a few.

Plus oil.

Plus Tourism.

Plus massive potential for renewable energy. The greatest in Europe.

Scotland is the third largest contributor in taxes to the UK behind only the south east and London.

You are living in fantasy land son.

Tell me, how many of those would have remained in an independent Scotland without a lender of last resort?

 

[Steveocee]

Grab a map, immigration wouldn't be a problem for Scotland as the main border for it is controlled by the French into the south of England. Not many will manage to get through those waters all the way up to Scotland as there simply isn't the boats for it, so their only option is to come via England.

Apart from anything else England, Wales and NI would vote to keep Scotland in, there's far too many benefits of doing so, as much as you may want to say otherwise. Outside of London there are precious free regions which contribute to the treasury, Scotland is one of those, vast swathes of England do not, NI certainly doesn't.

I was referring to the Scottish who were longing for independence coming back south when it goes belly up.

 

[Uther]

I was referring to the Scottish who were longing for independence coming back south when it goes belly up.

Strangely enough I expect the opposite, with an exodus north...

 

[lovelyhead]

Tell me, how many of those would have remained in an independent Scotland without a lender of last resort?

I suppose you are going to tell me none would remain and Scotland would become an economic wasteland and we would all sorely regret voting for independence and would be begging David Cameron to please let us rejoin the UK and he would be all like nope and we would all be like please Mr Cameron it was all a mistake and we were all hoodwinked by that nasty Alex Salmond and we should have listened to Jim Murphy when he was doing his Irn Bru crate tour but we never so now we are all having our homes repossessed and are having to fight over aid supply drops from the UK as we have no agriculture left and ASDA and Tesco and Morrisons and Sainsburys and LIDL and ALDI have all left Scotland not that it matters because all of the banks left Scotland too so nobody actually has any money to actually buy groceries or petrol to get to work although no one would have a job any way and there would be no oil left so there wouldn't be any petrol to buy either and after begging David Cameron for about 3 weeks with no reply he would be all like I will have to put it to the people of England in a referendum to decide if you savages should be allowed to rejoin the union or not and then he would have the referendum and the people would be all like uh uh uh Scotchland you ain't coming back and we would be like awwww cmoan and the English would be like tough luck old chap and we would all die.

 

[ThePirateHulk]

It's pure fantasy stuff from many on here who believe Scotland would suddenly become an economic backwater without the firm guiding hand of the glorious English keeping us on the one true path.

 

[Woden]

I wouldn't say it would happen over night, but there would be a steady decline.

Who would invest in a nation that doesn't have it's own currency?
What happens to the job losses caused by the closing of the nuclear sub base?

 

[Tefal]

I suppose you are going to tell me none would remain and Scotland would become an economic wasteland and we would all sorely regret voting for independence and would be begging David Cameron to please let us rejoin the UK and he would be all like nope and we would all be like please Mr Cameron it was all a mistake and we were all hoodwinked by that nasty Alex Salmond and we should have listened to Jim Murphy when he was doing his Irn Bru crate tour but we never so now we are all having our homes repossessed and are having to fight over aid supply drops from the UK as we have no agriculture left and ASDA and Tesco and Morrisons and Sainsburys and LIDL and ALDI have all left Scotland not that it matters because all of the banks left Scotland too so nobody actually has any money to actually buy groceries or petrol to get to work although no one would have a job any way and there would be no oil left so there wouldn't be any petrol to buy either and after begging David Cameron for about 3 weeks with no reply he would be all like I will have to put it to the people of England in a referendum to decide if you savages should be allowed to rejoin the union or not and then he would have the referendum and the people would be all like uh uh uh Scotchland you ain't coming back and we would be like awwww cmoan and the English would be like tough luck old chap and we would all die.

No he didn't day that at all he asked you how your financial sector would cope without a lender of last resort,something many of them are required to have

 

[Turambar]

I wouldn't say it would happen over night, but there would be a steady decline.

Who would invest in a nation that doesn't have it's own currency?
What happens to the job losses caused by the closing of the nuclear sub base?

If I was to answer these questions for you would you really take the answers on board and accept them as plausible in the absence of a crystal ball that would give definitive answers on the future effects of events that haven't happened?

I only ask because these questions have been asked and answered numerous times (both here and elsewhere). The answers are there for anyone that really wants them and yet the same questions are asked over and over again.

 

[lovelyhead]

If I was to answer these questions for you would you really take the answers on board and accept them as plausible in the absence of a crystal ball that would give definitive answers on the future effects of events that haven't happened?

I only ask because these questions have been asked and answered numerous times (both here and elsewhere). The answers are there for anyone that really wants them and yet the same questions are asked over and over again.

Spot on.

At least the Scottish people are beginning to see the unionist mantra of your too wee too poor and too stupid for what it is. A load of fear mongering propaganda.

Scotland is an advanced first world country and would be more than capable of running its own affairs. This suggestion of some sort of economic collapse if we decided to run our own affairs is just ******** and the people of Scotland are beginning to realise that.


The father of modern economics, Adam Smith, was Scottish for gods sake! If you think we wouldn't be able to create a new Scottish banking system if need be you are just spouting the too wee too stupid too poor argument.

We are just as capable of running our own affairs as England is.

 

[TheGamingGeneral]

... the unionist mantra of your too wee too poor and too stupid for what it is. A load of fear mongering propaganda.

Wasn't it john swinney who said that?