The EU Migrant Crisis

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Neil79 said:
Actually USA didn't fight as soon as the war started , Churchill repeatedly attempted to convince Roosevelt to enter the war
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It is a rather different situation Neil.
How many countries had Germany steamrollered before a stretch of sea stopped them, let everyone gather breath, regroup, and push them back?
Virtually all of Europe.
So you'd be suggesting the French, Poles, Dutch didn't fall back and regroup, but stood and died to the last man.
Battle of Britain relied upon our pilots and the Polish, Canadains, Czech, New Zealand.
Civilians surrender or run away, men regroup and fight. It isn't a simple stand your ground and bear arms. Not when your family is being gassed, murdered, indoctrinated or raped.
 
Its not really comparable to WW2 at all except in the aspect that way too many people refuse to see what is before their eyes until the bullets start flying overhead.
 
Buddy said:
It's quite easy to hand pick the data:
95% living in the country feel a loyalty to it.
93% believe they should obey the countries laws.

The figures you've hand picked suggest an average of 80% (a majority BTW!) That would have views I imagine are in line with yourself.

But you can see a clear disparity between these figures and this highlights the problems with surveys. They don't allow the individual to expand on their thought processes.
E.g. non Muslim media were as much critical about Charlie Hebdo "playing with a wasps nest" do they therefore sympathise with the terrorists and murder? No of course not. Surveys are yes and no answers with nothing in between. If you were truly curious you would have found plenty of journalists discuss this in more detail.

I suspect you've made up your mind like many on here and I am wasting my breath.
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Obey the law until a cartoon of Muhammad is drawn it seems and then it is open season for condoning attacks and violence. Then there is the views on gay people and sex outside marriage etc. Hundreds of thousands of young men with these views isn't going to help Europe at all.
 
Above&Beyond said:
Obey the law until a cartoon of Muhammad is drawn it seems and then it is open season for condoning attacks and violence. Then there is the views on gay people and sex outside marriage etc. Hundreds of thousands of young men with these views isn't going to help Europe at all.
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3 million Muslims living in this country.
Have they impeded in your life in that way?
 
Some people are convinced that anything left of RT is a big old lefty media conspiracy love-in and spend their free time on the internet getting angry about it.

Above&Beyond said:
Obey the law until a cartoon of Muhammad is drawn it seems and then it is open season for condoning attacks and violence. Then there is the views on gay people and sex outside marriage etc. Hundreds of thousands of young men with these views isn't going to help Europe at all.
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As long as a line isn't crossed into incitement or hate speech then people are free to say what they want, and they most certainly are allowed to think whatever they want. This is a proud freedom we enjoy that everybody was very keen to celebrate in January. Now, I don't see a growth in the numbers of people who fundamentally disagree with our way of life to be desirable at all, but we absolutely should not lower ourselves to their level and try and prevent them saying things.
 
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Caged said:
Some people are convinced that anything left of RT is a big old lefty media conspiracy love-in and spend their free time on the internet getting angry about it.



As long as a line isn't crossed into incitement or hate speech then people are free to say what they want, and they most certainly are allowed to think whatever they want. This is a proud freedom we enjoy that everybody was very keen to celebrate in January. Now, I don't see a growth in the numbers of people who fundamentally disagree with our way of life to be desirable at all, but we absolutely should not lower ourselves to their level and try and prevent them saying things.
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The failure to integrate and ghettoisation isn't what we want, but that is what we have here. We allow the extreme to be imported and think it is the norm and then have the PC brigade label people Islamophobes or racists when you point out these flaws.
 
Caged said:
but we absolutely should not lower ourselves to their level and try and prevent them saying things.
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We absolutely should prevent them saying things and it's not that we are lowering ourselves to their level. It just bloody makes sense. If they hate it here, they know where the door is. No point being goody goody, your country, your rules.
 
maltrabob said:
We absolutely should prevent them saying things and it's not that we are lowering ourselves to their level. It just bloody makes sense. If they hate it here, they know where the door is. No point being goody goody, your country, your rules.
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To me the right that people have in this country to say that they hate the UK (note: not incite violence or hatred which are covered by law) is more important than removing that right so people like yourself can feel better.

Freedom of speech means you might have to hear something you don't like. Sorry.
 
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Caged said:
Freedom of speech means you might have to hear something you don't like. Sorry.
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Having hate preachers radicalising youngsters in mosques and then marching the streets of London brandishing posters reading "Bomb Britain"... are you serious? What has that to do with freedom of speech?
 
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maltrabob said:
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Having hate preachers radicalising youngsters in mosques and then marching the streets of London brandishing posters reading "Bomb Britain"... are you serious? What has that to do with freedom of speech?
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By jailing them it creates a purpose for their hate speech rather than them wanting to mass murder people for a sky fairy.
 
maltrabob said:
Having hate preachers radicalising youngsters in mosques and then marching the streets of London brandishing posters reading "Bomb Britain"... are you serious? What has that to do with freedom of speech?
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Other than ignoring the bits where I specifically said that inciting violence or hatred isn't covered by free speech you've made an excellent point. You can't say "look at those backward countries where you get thrown in prison for disagreeing with the government or beaten if you say you're gay" and then support the removal of rights in this country. Because that makes you somewhat hypocritical.
 
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Caged said:
Other than ignoring the bits where I specifically said that inciting violence or hatred isn't covered by free speech you've made an excellent point.
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You see, the things written on the paper aren't the same things that are happening on the streets. If inciting hatred is not covered by free speech, how come they are allowed to march streets without being banned or/and prosecuted? The problem with people like you is that you don't seem to realise rules are here to work both ways.
 
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