Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

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Hypothetical situation. 100% of the people of Scotland vote to stay in the EU. 100% of the population of England vote to leave the EU. In your view that would just be Scotland's tough luck and it would be forced out of the EU against it's will.
Yes. It's a UK-wide vote.

Staying in or leaving is a binary decision. It's one or the other. So in that highly artificial situation, if 5.3m people vote one way, and (not counting the populations of Wales or NI, for simplcity's sake) 53 million vote the other way, either 53m have to do what 5.3m want, or 5.3m have to do what 53m want. I'd say the outcome of that is obvious. The 5.3m do not get to veto the 53m.

However, if the 5.3m then want to split away and apply to get back in to the EU, fair enough. I'd prefer the UK to remain united, but if the 5.3m want to leave, okay.

I get that Scotland may not want to leave because England votes that way, but nor does Scotland get to overrule a democratic vote of the population of the whole UK.

Of course, the chances of 100% of either wanting that are about zero.
 
So less pro independence and more anti English... At least have the courage of your convictions and come out with it instead of just whining. Even the First Minister has said recently the majority of Scots have serious reservations about leaving the UK and the SNP will have to win the electorate over and prove the case.

If your sole strategy is to paint Scots, Irish and Welsh voters as some kind of weak willed victims of England the UK is in pretty good shape, we're pretty good at spotting the worst type of nationalist xenophobia.

Poor attempt - 2 out of 10, please try harder.

Nah. That's not what I am saying at all. I have no issue with the average English person. Half my family are English. I am sure we will all still be good friends after we get independence.

The point I am making is that what England wants, England gets. They simply have the overwhelming majority of votes in the house of commons. You can try twisting what I am saying to be anti English but most sensible people will agree with the fact that the English dominate UK politics.

If you combine all the MP's from Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales it comes out as 117 MP's in total versus 533 English MP's.

A good proportion of those non English MP's will vote the same way as their English counterparts in the same party. Some of those non English MP's don't even turn up at Westminster.

So it is clear to see that England dominates UK politics even though we are supposed to be equal partners in the union.

It is very obviously not the case that we are equal though and I understand and accept the reasons why all the countries of the UK are not equal in voting terms (England has the majority of the population).

That is why Scotland needs to go it alone so that we are no longer dominated by England.

I get that Scotland may not want to leave because England votes that way, but nor does Scotland get to overrule a democratic vote of the population of the whole UK.

I have never said that Scotland would overrule the EU referendum result. If England vote to leave then that is what will happen regardless of how the other countries in the UK vote.

If Scotland voted NO to leaving the EU and England voted YES then another independence referendum at that point would be justified.

Wow, must be 3 or 4 hundred people there out of 5.3 million, there were more people shopping in the St Enoch shopping centre at the same time... lol

According to the Daily Record (pro union paper) there were thousands:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/one-year-independence-referendum-thousands-6475363

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****ing nazis!

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending nazi admirers.
 
I'm afraid this is where your anti English, Irish and Welsh prejudice shows through. You work from the precept that everyone 5 metres one side of a line on a map has completely different interests, morals and objectives to their neighbour 5 metres the other side of what is an artificial demarcation and were somehow too stupid to understand they were being oppressed by the English when asked if they wanted to leave the union.

It would seem any Scot who is pro union is either stupid, an English lackey or a Nazi in your view. Any one in Ireland or Wales is not even worthy of your consideration in your attempt to build a Scotland versus English oppressors rhetoric.

Sorry, you're a poor Xenophobic bigot who is now trying to back track...

  • We are just as capable of running our own affairs as England is.
  • after begging David Cameron for about 3 weeks with no reply he would be all like I will have to put it to the people of England in a referendum to decide if you savages should be allowed to rejoin the union or not and then he would have the referendum and the people
  • would be all like uh uh uh Scotchland you ain't coming back and we would be like awwww cmoan and the English would be like tough luck old chap and we would all die.
  • You think keeping us in the union against our will (assuming there is a will to separate) would be OK so long as it stops refugee's / migrants moving to England.
  • A lot of nationalists see the opportunity the EU referendum brings. If England vote to leave and we vote to stay, it is game on in a big way
  • I am fair looking forward to that. With a bit of luck England will vote to leave and Scotland will vote to stay.
  • They really are a bunch of idiots Eddie! Although they will never admit it, they see us as a colony of England not as an equal partner.
  • Moral values in Scotland and England seem so far apart. We should just go our own separate way.

Definitely not anti English... nope, definitely not...
 
I'm sure a ''free'' Scotland would be better for the rest of us so we don't have to hear this bs anymore.

Maybe I can help you out there. I can even offer instant relief for your problem.

Maybe you can tell some of your other unionist buddies that are fed up of hearing us nationalist's crow about or slow but steady progress towards our independence.

The secret to this unionist bliss?

Don't click on the thread titled "Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitable".

That will be £10 please.

No, the article quotes "Organisers said that thousands of people attended the event", the organisers were hardly going to say 300 people turned up and we're really disappointed. There were still more Scots in the local shopping centre...

The police estimated there were 1500 there. How many people were shopping?

I'm afraid this is where your anti English, Irish and Welsh prejudice shows through. You work from the precept that everyone 5 metres one side of a line on a map has completely different interests, morals and objectives to their neighbour 5 metres the other side of what is an artificial demarcation and were somehow too stupid to understand they were being oppressed by the English when asked if they wanted to leave the union.

It would seem any Scot who is pro union is either stupid, an English lackey or a Nazi in your view. Any one in Ireland or Wales is not even worthy of your consideration in your attempt to build a Scotland versus English oppressors rhetoric.

Sorry, you're a poor Xenophobic bigot who is now trying to back track...



Definitely not anti English... nope, definitely not...

That's a nice collection of cherry picked posts of mine. Care to point out the anti English parts?
 
Is that it? 1500 out of 5.3 million is the best you can do as your overwhelming tide of support for leaving the Union...

Wow, compelling argument right there...

Yeah because ever single person that wants independence was in George Square today.

Also please point out which quotes from your previous post are anti English.
 
Lol... straw and clutching for springs to mind... You brought it up as a flagship example of Scottish support for leaving the Union, not the rest of us...

A packed George Square full of Independence supporters when there is no referendum says a lot.

Oh yes, please show me my supposed anti English posts.
 
Maybe I can help you out there. I can even offer instant relief for your problem.

Maybe you can tell some of your other unionist buddies that are fed up of hearing us nationalist's crow about or slow but steady progress towards our independence.

The secret to this unionist bliss?

Don't click on the thread titled "Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitable".

That will be £10 please.



£10 or 10 euro ?

(you won't get in the euro as

Spain will vote no)
 
£10 or 10 euro ?

(you won't get in the euro as

Spain will vote no)

So Spain is against Scotland becoming independent but is also against Scotland wanting to be part of the EU.

Why would they vote against us joining when we would already be independent at that point?


Show me the anti English posts I made or apologise for the slur.
 
So Spain is against Scotland becoming independent but is also against Scotland wanting to be part of the EU.

Why would they vote against us joining when we would already be independent at that point?



Because they want an indipendant Scotland to fail horribly as an example to their own secessionist areas.

Problem with being a trail blazer is for everyone who wants you to succeed there us one who wants you to fail to prevent their own doing the same.

And iirc the system for eu entry works on a unanimous vote so it only takes one.


Say Spain did veto it lovely what is the outcome of Scotland being independent and not being a member of the eu?

(The uks own member ship will impact this I know so feel free to give two results)
 
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