The labour Leader thread...

Sliver · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:00

RDM said:
How would you like to see it paid for?

What tax rises or service cuts would you like to see so we can afford to nationalise and run public transport?

Tax the rich more as they can afford it. No need to penalise the poor by slashing the welfare system, that's just immoral and unethical, unless of course you're a true blue tory in which case it's just good business. :rolleyes:

Terminal_Boy · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:05

easyrider said:
Just because it was bad in the past doesn't mean things cannot be learnt from and implemented in a new way...while still publically owned...

Train prices are a joke currently..I mean laughable...

How will Sir be funding this re nationalisation?

Danthus · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:07

Terminal_Boy said:
How will Sir be funding this re nationalisation?

But they are funding it now.

Terminal_Boy · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:07

Sliver said:
Tax the rich more as they can afford it. No need to penalise the poor by slashing the welfare system, that's just immoral and unethical, unless of course you're a true blue tory in which case it's just good business.

You can't tax the truly rich as they'll just leave the country. It'll be the middle income bracket getting squeezed again as usual.

Terminal_Boy · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:08

OldCoals said:
But they are funding it now.

Who is "they"?

easyrider · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:09

Terminal_Boy said:
How will Sir be funding this re nationalisation?

I'll leave that to labour to sort out...tax the rich...close all corporation tax loopholes for starters...

Plus I'm not so sure that the top 1% rich would leave TBH...this is political spin...

Created by the Tory party.

RDM · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:09

Sliver said:
Tax the rich more as they can afford it. No need to penalise the poor by slashing the welfare system, that's just immoral and unethical, unless of course you're a true blue tory in which case it's just good business.

"Tax the rich more", can you possibly give a bit more detail here. It is a nice soundbite obviously but what do you mean by "rich" and what do you mean by "more"? We are going to need to raise billions after all to bring public transport back to state ownership.

I'm not a Tory btw, I just like some details on how my socialist utopia is going to be funded before voting for it.

Sliver · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:09

Terminal_Boy said:
You can't tax the truly rich as they'll just leave the country. It'll be the middle income bracket getting squeezed again as usual.

Nonsense. And if they did leave which they wouldn't, who would care ?

Danthus · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:10

Terminal_Boy said:
Who is "they"?

The state, the state is currently subsiding the rail industry, underwriting the risk for private companies while they take the profits.

Sliver · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:11

RDM said:
"Tax the rich more", can you possibly give a bit more detail here. It is a nice soundbite obviously but what do you mean by "rich" and what do you mean by "more"? We are going to need to raise billions after all to bring public transport back to state ownership.

I'm not a Tory btw, I just like some details on how my socialist utopia is going to be funded before voting for it.

The more you earn the more pay in tax. It's not rocket science is it ? Currently the wealthiest people in the UK are exploiting tax loopholes so that they can avoid paying their fare share.

Terminal_Boy · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:17

Sliver said:
Nonsense. And if they did leave which they wouldn't, who would care ?

The rest of us taxpayers that would have to make up the shortfall in tax revenue.

RDM · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:18

Sliver said:
The more you earn the more pay in tax. It's not rocket science is it ? Currently the wealthiest people in the UK are exploiting tax loopholes so that they can avoid paying their fare share.

In other words "I have no idea".

Which is part of the problem really, far too many of the left going for the usual solutions with no real idea on how to implement them. Tax the rich, close tax loopholes, crack down on avoidance (or even evasion if the person actually knows a little about what they are talking about).

But no details on how, just some hand waving and vague pronouncements.

Terminal_Boy · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:20

OldCoals said:
The state, the state is currently subsiding the rail industry, underwriting the risk for private companies while they take the profits.

So, the state would use tax revenue to buy back the rail industry and then continue to subside it to keep fares low.

Great news if you use public transport and don't pay tax. Not so great news for us net contributors.

Sliver · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:21

RDM said:
In other words "I have no idea".

Now you're being silly. I gave you the correct answer and you have just chosen to ignore it. Ignorant much ?

easyrider · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:21

RDM said:
In other words "I have no idea".

Which is part of the problem really, far too many of the left going for the usual solutions with no real idea on how to implement them. Tax the rich, close tax loopholes, crack down on avoidance (or even evasion if the person actually knows a little about what they are talking about).

But no details on how, just some hand waving and vague pronouncements.

I don't agree....the mere fact that in 2015 people needing food banks highlights just how bad the Tory government are managing this country...

I mean ...it's not hard to look after the vulnerable...

It is hard if you have the selfish urge to conserve money and keep the poor and rich divide in check...

Danthus · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:25

Terminal_Boy said:
So, the state would use tax revenue to buy back the rail industry and then continue to subside it to keep fares low.

Great news if you use public transport and don't pay tax. Not so great news for us net contributors.

They won't have to buy them back, they just take them over when the the franchises come available.

Just like they did with the East Coast line and returned a profit for the taxpayer. Then the Conservatives sold it off again.

RDM · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:28

Sliver said:
Now you're being silly. I gave you the correct answer and you have just chosen to ignore it. Ignorant much ?

Coming from you that is just hilarious.

easyrider said:
I don't agree....the mere fact that in 2015 people needing food banks highlights just how bad the Tory government are managing this country...

I mean ...it's not hard to look after the vulnerable...

It is hard if you have the selfish urge to conserve money and keep the poor and rich divide in check...

Great soundbites, but again, isn't at all answering the question. It is a diversion. "Look at the food banks!" isn't an answer to "How are you going to pay for nationalising public transport?".

Sliver · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:35

RDM said:
Great soundbites, but again, isn't at all answering the question. It is a diversion. "Look at the food banks!" isn't an answer to "How are you going to pay for nationalising public transport?".

You seem to have a problem with written English. Tax the wealthy more and provide for the poor more. Are you really going to deny that isn't the way to a fairer society ?

Destination · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:38

Sliver said:
Now you're being silly. I gave you the correct answer and you have just chosen to ignore it. Ignorant much ?

At what levels will you increase the tax rates?
What 'loopholes' as you call them will you close and how?

Give us those specifics so we have a notional clue as to what you would actually do.

Danthus · 20 Sep 2015 at 11:45

Hikari Kisugi said:
At what levels will you increase the tax rates?
What 'loopholes' as you call them will you close and how?

Give us those specifics so we have a notional clue as to what you would actually do.

Be fair, we all know there are massive of perfectly legal ways to avoid tax.