Pretty sure there are rules against that sort of thing...
Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible
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Pretty sure there are rules against that sort of thing...
So now you understand what I wrote,
but you think that Germany and France will defend you?
I think you will find they are aiming for unity with in countries and not breakings them apart.
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Anyway, Spain using it's veto to block an independent Scotland's EU membership would pretty much decimate their fishing industry since Scottish territorial waters are heavily fished by EU fleets.
Anyway, the Spanish Foreign Minister has already stated that they will not veto.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304495/Spain-will-not-veto-an-independent-Scotland-joining-EU
People really should arm themselves with facts rather than parroting what they see somebody else say on t'internet.
Anyway, the Spanish Foreign Minister has already stated that they will not veto.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/304495/Spain-will-not-veto-an-independent-Scotland-joining-EU
People really should arm themselves with facts rather than parroting what they see somebody else say on t'internet.
what happens if the uk vetos it?
but i suppose you're right if a politician has said something, well that's a promise you can take straight to the bank.
What is Scotland going to base it economy on?
A large number of companies said they would move hq's south if it happened including the main bank, oil reserves are so far out they are in the mainly in international / Shetlands waters and last time I went there the shetlanders don't think themselves to be Scottish and told the SNP person that visited that theyd go independent from Scotland if the referendum was a yes taking the majority of the oil reserves with them.
Also have the yes party taken in the cobin effect,not only does he have similar left leanings as the Scottish traditionally have but he's In a party that can actually make a differnence. All the snp can do is make a noise and not be listened to.
A large number of companies said they would move hq's south if it happened including the main bank, oil reserves are so far out they are in the mainly in international / Shetlands waters and last time I went there the shetlanders don't think themselves to be Scottish and told the SNP person that visited that theyd go independent from Scotland if the referendum was a yes taking the majority of the oil reserves with them.
Also have the yes party taken in the cobin effect,not only does he have similar left leanings as the Scottish traditionally have but he's In a party that can actually make a differnence. All the snp can do is make a noise and not be listened to.
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When you consider that Scotland is a net contributor to the UK then it's easy to see that we have lots of things that would underpin our economy.
The whole Shetland thing is a quite wrong when you consider Alistair Carmichael had to resort to a smear campaign in order to secure a narrow election win against the SNP.
The whole Shetland thing is a quite wrong when you consider Alistair Carmichael had to resort to a smear campaign in order to secure a narrow election win against the SNP.
Scotland is spoilt child syndrome.
SNP had there referendum they lost. Put it to bed and get on with looking after the people. You can cry about it all the time. If Scotland goes then economically they will be Portugal. Good news for people in the NE and NW for cheap goods.
SNP had there referendum they lost. Put it to bed and get on with looking after the people. You can cry about it all the time. If Scotland goes then economically they will be Portugal. Good news for people in the NE and NW for cheap goods.
More people seemingly want independence now, and the British PM appears to be a pervert with low morals...
More people seemingly want independence now, and the British PM appears to be a pervert with low morals...
They should have voted for it then.
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The real failing of the Westminster government is that it has not actually pointed out the massive failings of the SNP government in Holyrood. Look at Police Scotland for example. That was a big SNP project which has failed to deliver the savings and leaves people dead and dying on the roadside for three days.
If I was Cameron, I'd be ripping into Sturgeon and Salmond for their failings instead of letting them have it all their own way. But then that would require Cameron to take risks, which he is unwilling to do.
If I was Cameron, I'd be ripping into Sturgeon and Salmond for their failings instead of letting them have it all their own way. But then that would require Cameron to take risks, which he is unwilling to do.
Independence is a cornerstone of the SNPs existence, it's never going to be in their interest to accept the Scottish people have spoken on the subject for a generation and move on. As a Nationalist party they rely on national pride and railing against the Union, that wouldn't change even after a second, third or fourth referendum. The SNP needs to keep this on the agenda to stay in power, in particular now they will face opposition from a more left wing Labour party.
With the number of seats the SNP have now it can realistically only go down so they will need to use every perceived slight or injustice to portray themselves as the defenders of the Scottish people. Trying to resurrect the independence referendum is just one of those pieces of propaganda they can use as no other party will support it in the short term. It gives them the chance to shout loudly about England and Westminster being disrespectful, how dare the Westminster elite deny Scots a voice in their future etc conveniently glossing over Scots clearly rejected leaving the Union for a generation.
It's just politicians keeping themselves in power supported by activists like Lovelyhead here trying to make sure a topic which should have been put to bed allowing people to focus on a productive future keeps getting dragged up
With the number of seats the SNP have now it can realistically only go down so they will need to use every perceived slight or injustice to portray themselves as the defenders of the Scottish people. Trying to resurrect the independence referendum is just one of those pieces of propaganda they can use as no other party will support it in the short term. It gives them the chance to shout loudly about England and Westminster being disrespectful, how dare the Westminster elite deny Scots a voice in their future etc conveniently glossing over Scots clearly rejected leaving the Union for a generation.
It's just politicians keeping themselves in power supported by activists like Lovelyhead here trying to make sure a topic which should have been put to bed allowing people to focus on a productive future keeps getting dragged up
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Moving a plaque from Scotland to London means next to nothing. That was the reality of the threats from the banks. In regards to oil, educate yourself on the Scottish median line boundary.
As for whether or not Shetland and Orkney want to go their own separate way from Scotland, that is more unionist press propaganda that is simply untrue:
Corbyn has had no effect on the Scottish polls:
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/comforting-comres-poll-fails-to-detect.html
Anything else?
Exactly. The unionists always convieniently forget that Scotland is the third largest contributor in taxes behind only London and the South East. Yir too poor they scream!
Carmichael may yet have his seat removed from him with a bit of luck. 57 out of 59 Scottish MP's would be nice!
Is there a special unionist clipboard that allows you to copy these mental ramblings from? I swear I have read the exact same post about 20 times now!
You may be interested to know that the person that phoned the police regarding the car at the side of the road did so using the non emergency 101 number. All they reported was there was an abandoned car at the side of the road.
The police should have responded quicker but as far as they were aware it was not an emergency. It was a terrible incident but to use that against the whole of Police Scotland and the SNP is grossly unfair.
Crime in Scotland is at it's lowest for 40 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30192406
I don't hear the unionist's mentioning that!
Crime in Scotland is at it's lowest for 40 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30192406
I don't hear the unionist's mentioning that!
That's a UK wide trend, thanks to excellent economic and social progress driven by our rulers in Westminster.
after watching the church of Scientology documentary running on sky Atlantic at the moment i am starting to see where lovelyhead is coming from.
to everyone else: there is no arguing / debating with him. please just let this thread die.... he will always be an English hater.
to everyone else: there is no arguing / debating with him. please just let this thread die.... he will always be an English hater.
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Wait until we ship all the EU mandated enrichers Merkel thrusts upon the UK north of the border.
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Can't debate in a proper fashion so you try and label me as an English hater. If you won't ignore this thread then I will ignore you. Added to ignore list.
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Scotland has a great many things to under pin it's economy, it is a great nation of great people and it would not fail but Scotland is not a NET contributor to the UK it is a net beneficiary of something in the region of £7-9 billion.
When it comes to deficits Scotland's is around 8 or 9% compared to 4.5% (currently, looking to 3.7% by the end of this year) for the UK as a whole (England's deficit is unknown) and this is what matters when you attempt to calculate future spending/budgets because that difference needs to be made up either by austerity or by borrowing more.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...eficit-40-higher-than-rest-of-uk-data-reveals
Scotland has contributed net a few times since the 80's although there seem to be no figures I can find for the state of affairs before the oil but since the oil is the only reason for those years of contributions I can't see how Scotland could have contributed before oil.
Yes Scotland, including oil, contributes more in tax than the UK average and has done for a great many years but the fact remains that the Barnett formula with the governments block grant supersedes that by quite a margin.
this video shows this information against the Scottish governments own GERS figures which include oil and take into account tax take and spend via Barnett/the bock grant.
this chap also has other vids showing how Scotland could reduce it's spending.
Once again the issue always comes back to the core financials - Scotland most certainly would continue and probably thrive but independence based on the facts will see a substantial drop in Scotland's budget.
Furthermore these figures only take into account part of the drop in oil price as they were a snapshot in the middle of the slump - next years GERS will be quite painful for the SNP's case.
even more painful will be the costs involved in decommissioning the oil platforms etc - running to 10's of billions...as much as perhaps £40-50 billion.
Again, look I'm not someone looking to insult Scottish people but some things are true and some are not.
For those that say this is about self rule irrespective of money I have no argument whatsoever but the financial argument is a tougher sell at the moment.
EDIT: I Also noticed that some have tried to counter this argument with a breakdown of UK regions but this is irrelevant. It matters not if some English regions are poorer because, if Scotland were independent, its own regions would be more visible as with all countries..and many Scottish regions are poorer than the mean too - what would the correlation be between yes and no regions of Scotland if we were to plot against tax contributions for example? GERS including oil is all that matters.
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You may be interested to know that the person that phoned the police regarding the car at the side of the road did so using the non emergency 101 number. All they reported was there was an abandoned car at the side of the road.
The police should have responded quicker but as far as they were aware it was not an emergency. It was a terrible incident but to use that against the whole of Police Scotland and the SNP is grossly unfair.
Crime in Scotland is at it's lowest for 40 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30192406
I don't hear the unionist's mentioning that!
Abandoned car at the side of the road? Yes they called 101 but they reported a car down the embankment on the M9 motorway.
And the couple were reported missing last seen in the area in their blue clio in the early hours of Sunday.
No you can't blame the whole of police Scotland or the SNP but to make out it was just reported as an abandoned car at the side of the road is crazy.
The chief constable said a member of the public had called the 101 non-emergency number at about 11:30 on Sunday after seeing the car down the embankment near the Bannockburn slip road.
The call had been taken by an "experienced officer", who has since remained on duty. However, "for reasons yet to be established" this was never entered into systems or sent out to operational teams in the area.
"That we failed both families involved is without doubt," the chief constable said.
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I can't fault anything you say. It was a terrible incident but to use the death of two people to bash the SNP is an extremely low blow when nothing the SNP could do would have made any difference.
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