The EU Migrant Crisis

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Glaucus said:
Because you know it's logically correct.
Such countries need a big inject of young able workers, such centres taking on more refugees to benefit themselfs, also helps out other EU countries who are not in a similar situation by lowering the number they need to take, but go back to your bigotted illogical views.
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It's most definatly not correct, and if not wanting large amounts of culturally incompatible economic migrants to illegally occupy the place I call home, while bringing along their culture of intolerance and abuse to women children and non Muslims makes me a bigot then I guess I am.

Take your bleeding heart and choke on it ;)
 
Glaucus said:
Because you know it's logically correct.
Such countries need a big inject of young able workers.
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Germany. That isnt the whole of the EU, Britain and France for example are already projected to expand quite happily.

such centres taking on more refugees to benefit themselfs
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Yes.... Germany has taken them because they need it, economically, but such a migration just isnt about economic costs is it? there are other effects that are worth consideration, not least because Germany isn't the whole of the EU. However the national integrity cost, policing and dublin agreement costs have all fallen on some of the weakest neighbours of germany, who are getting bypassed in labour for the already rich countries.

This has a secondary effect of depressing the cheap labour market in the well off nations, exaggerating the issues of eastern europe's migrant workers and the mass unemployment (often of the youth) in those countries. Which btw is a massive problem for the EU.

also helps out other EU countries who are not in a similar situation by lowering the number they need to take,
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no country would have needed to take any had Germany not acted by itself, breaking EU Law for its own good above others. This statement shows 2 things. one, you acknowledge that they are an economic and social burden. two, you actually think solving a problem the situation itself created, is a benefit. when clearly this is a logical fallacy.

but go back to your bigotted illogical views.
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no need for name calling, it makes you look idiotic if you cant resort to making a point without insulting someone. And also a bit silly in regards to the inclusion you are preaching, when you can't acknowledge that other people may have points.
 
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Oh my god, no one would have needed to take anyone if Germany didn't do it, what workd do you live in.

Of course migrants are an economic burden in the short term, that does not mean we should 't take them in or help out. The negative effects can also be massively reduced with a coherent plan, rather than mayhem.

You certainly have points, they're just bewilderingly wrong.
 
Glaucus said:
Oh my god, no one would have needed to take anyone if Germany didn't do it, what workd do you live in.
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If the external borders had maintained integrity and the proper processing (that we have had for decades) was maintained we would not be in a situation where Germany is forcing other countries to take a cut of a wave of people that they inspired. I will also note how its possible that several countries directly related to, and geographically near syria have maintained their borders and not been required to take anyone in.

I'll also point out that this is now Germany's political position. Germany's previous actions removed our choice on the matter and any such plans are back peddling because they have realised their mistake.

Of course migrants are an economic burden in the short term, that does not mean we should 't take them in or help out
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Yes it does. there is no requirement to inflict cost, social discord or force them to dissolve borders on already weak partner nations. Germany could have gotten its required workers through other schemes (much like they did with the turkish previously, which merkel has said "failed completely") and they certainly could shoulder the economic cost in the short term themselves if the long term was so beneficial for them, thus not forcing unwanted migrants on other nation states. There are a multitude of ways that the situation could have been worked, however they have failed utterly to do so and are now making the situation worse.

I'll also note you are sticking with the purely economic argument, and nothing with the social and political implications of the move. You're view is 2d at best.

You certainly have points, they're just bewilderingly wrong.
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Your only points are emotionally based "we must" "we need" or based on the insistence that Germany is the only country in the EU. neither are correct and your lack of engagement on my points speaks volumes of how shallow your argument is.
 
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Glaucus said:
Oh my god, no one would have needed to take anyone if Germany didn't do it, what workd do you live in.

Of course migrants are an economic burden in the short term, that does not mean we should 't take them in or help out. The negative effects can also be massively reduced with a coherent plan, rather than mayhem.

You certainly have points, they're just bewilderingly wrong.
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They would have had to but Germany made them take more, invited a mass stream of people to Europe and threatened EU nations with sanctions before backing down and promoting EU border protection. On the other points I agree with him but we're all bewilderingly wrong because you said it right? What is your coherent plan that massively reduces the negative effects? I'd be delighted to hear it.
 
Glaucus said:
Germanys policies did nothing to destroy external birders into EU, your points are laughably incorrect.
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Then why are they asking for them to be returned to normal? They politically pressured eastern european countries to allow for total unfettered immigration for a brief period to allow transit and now want to close them, whilst they vilified the PM's who attempted maintain order and the border when they briefly changed their minds.

That is destroying the borders. To act as if external borders have even less checks than those in the zone and to do so without asking those effected.

The only thing that is laughable is your inability to reply.
 
Those nice secure borders which have been letting thousands of migrants through a day. Before Germany weighed in. Yeah really nice and secure and no migrant issues.
 
Glaucus said:
Those nice secure borders which have been letting thousands of migrants through a day. Before Germany weighed in. Yeah really nice and secure and no migrant issues.
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However, they were processed and the proper channels used as per dublin, In small enough numbers to (just about) cope with. This utterly changed on Germanys proclamation of a free passport. If the surge was accounted for it would have been prepared for and a system in place, instead the border countries are overwhelmed, entirely lacking support from the richer countries that announced it who are now steadily backtracking once the size of their mistake has been realised and a plan... months after the event, is attempting to be formed.

Every step Germany has taken in the 5 months of this brewing crisis has been wrong, made the situation worse and completely detrimental to the EU as a whole, economically, politically and socially.

And before you answer notice I said the EU not just Germany and politically/socially not just long term economics. I cant help but notice that you cant form a coherent post in return so maybe just let it drop as you seem utterly unable to back up your assertions.
 
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Nutella33 said:
However, they were processed and the proper channels used as per dublin, In small enough numbers to (just about) cope with. This utterly changed on Germanys proclamation of a free passport. If the surge was accounted for it would have been prepared for and a system in place, instead the border countries are overwhelmed, entirely lacking support from the richer countries that announced it who are now steadily backtracking once the size of their mistake has been realised and a plan... months after the event, is attempting to be formed.

Every step Germany has taken in the 5 months of this brewing crisis has been wrong, made the situation worse and completely detrimental to the EU as a whole, economically, politically and socially.

And before you answer notice I said the EU not just Germany and politically/socially not just long term economics. I cant help but notice that you cant form a coherent post in return so maybe just let it drop as you seem utterly unable to back up your assertions.
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Don't worry, he will be back to call you a Bigot any second.
 
This, pretty much sums up the situation in my opinion.

Glad i do not live there anymore, which is sad. Hopefully the US doesn't follow in the same fate.
 
Glaucus said:
I said it was good for Germany and it is, they have a massively decreasing birthdate and a massively aging population, same with Japan, these countries really need to change public opinion, as mass imagaration is extremely positive for these countries.

Lots of politicians have great ideas then are u-turned by public opinion, nothing new, it'll happen tomorrow and it'll happen in 100years time. Until' democracy is significantly altered for the better.
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sorry importing a million unqualified, non German speaking, hard-line religious nutters is not "good for Germany"
 
leaskovski said:
This thread is quite frankly ****ing embarrassing for this country... And I'm not even liberal.
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In what way? All people seem to be saying in response to the obvious proven concerns is "racist" & "bigot" or the classic pretending that the argument is below them. Can one of you actually address what benefit we will actually receive as a country by importing leeching fighting age men who share neither the language or the culture and who adhere to a hard-line belief system above all else that tells them we are all scum and viable targets.

CAN SOMEBODY ACTUALLY POINT OUT THE BENEFITS?

I've asked a few times yet been met with deafening silence. Tell me how it's good for British society/Europe to bring in a mass of fighting age Muslim men who clearly have zero interest in European culture and liberalism. Malmo serves as a current existing example of this folly. Explain without insult how a bunch of extra Malmo's over the country helps us in any way shape or form, PLEASE!

Do you think these Iraqi/Syrian/Pakistani (or whoever given that the ID papers are floating in the Med) men are the educated workforce of the future paying our pensions? LOL You think you'll be having a few swift half's down the local with Ahmed talking about the football while your wives and children mingle? Have a word. They'll be holed up in no-go non-English speaking ghettos draining from the taxpayer purse, dressed like ninjas and the terror alert will probably stay at critical forever. Rapes on young girls will also skyrocket as will overall community discord and tension.

I wonder if those who spout the "let them all in" nonsense have actually been to the run down areas that they've completely colonised. Have you seen these places? Have you had groups of men all standing about during the day just trying to intimidate you because you don't belong there while women in full veil wander about in packs. That isn't what Britain is about yet we have cheerleaders encouraging more of the same. Why would you do that?

I live next to a massive Church and a Gurdwara and have no trouble wandering about the place at all. Good people and no trouble. Further up the road at the Mosque and it's a different story where they stare at you like hawks and even follow you partly up the road as though to usher you out. I see this every week as I lease property beyond the area and have to regularly traverse it. Why should I be intimidated and made to feel unwelcome in my own country by people who refuse to adapt to the ways and norms of us who pay for their existence?

Christian, Jews, Hindu, Sikh, Rasta etc all get along fine with what Britain has to offer but Islam refuses. Why are they here? Middle East is massive. They have their pick of countries with the same ideology they can go live if they find Britain so repugnant.
 
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