Lords defeat government over tax credits cut
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The point is that this bill isn't purely financial. It has a wider social impact on the most vulnerable.
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Well, and legally that they didn't pass it as a money bill, they passed it as secondary legislation.
I don't see how they could use the Parliament Act to push it through - isn't that only supposed to be used to force through manifesto promises? Given that Cameron vowed not to cut tax credit only days before the election I think the Lords are quite right to hold him to that and he can't really claim he's got a mandate to do it when his election promise was the opposite!
She wouldn't though would she. She's purely ceremonial.
People didn't expect the lords to block it either.
Except the Lords have precedence for blocking or at least sending bills back to be reworked (albeit not financial related legislation) in our democratic process. The last time Royal Assent was refused was 1708. It was last given in person in 1854.
Yeah which is surely (hopefully?) the reason the Lords kicked the bill back - note they didn't kill it, all they did was ask the government (Osborne?) to just think about the changes, and do a proper impact assessment.
First this and now a delay to the pension tax relief consultation. If Osborne is going to balance income and expenditure by the end of this parliament he's just had to delay two of his biggest proposed cuts to expenditure. Somebody else is going to be hit very hard to compensate.
Fair enough.
We really need to do away with all of the "unwritten rules & convention" in our political system!
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Have to agree but Gideon has a commitment that he wants a surplus by the end of this term even with the lack of growth forecast.
Its the very jobs the Tories keep claiming they have created that will be affected by this legislation.
As many have already said the Tories will target the poor and disaffected as they are less likely to vote.
Isn't the Salisbury convention just a convention and from my understanding not enshrined in an legal framework so can was been ignored if parties wish to do so and therefore any changes to how the House of Lords operates has to be done by amending the Parliament Acts?
Yeah, so they both have precedent, before this century the last time the lords vetoed anything was 1968. It doesn't matter if something hasn't been used in a long time, that a good thing because it wasn't needed.
She refuses to sign and the tanks turn up and surround Buckingham Palace. 'A Very British Coup'
He reminds me of you, ask a loaded question then keep repeating it in the hope of fallacy supplanting debate...
yeah she's going to put the monarchy at risk and start a constitutional crisis because some people might lose a bit of money
Maybe if Cameron had answered the question - a simple yes or no would have sufficed - then Corbyn wouldn't have had to ask it 6 times.
