Germaine Greer on Transexuality

lafemmefatale said:
God forbid any of you lot find yourself with a child who displays gender variant behaviour.

What are you going to do, beat it out of them or destroy them psychologically for life?

My money is on both.
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Let's pray you don't have a male child, you'll probably destroy him psychologically and beat the masculinity out of him
 
lafemmefatale said:
Eugenics.

Another thing the Nazis were massively in favour of.
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I am absolutely in favour of eugenics, which should no longer be regarded as a dirty word. It was horrific when the Nazis did it because it was done with actual living, breathing people rather than foetuses. The science has moved forward now so that we can terminate a foetus which is going to have serious health problems.

Anyway, here are some of the things the Nazis were into which I am not into:

* German Nationalism
* Anti-Semitism
* Genocide
* Totalitarianism

Now given that German Nationalism was pretty much the issue for the Nazis, you might come to appreciate why calling me a Nazi makes absolutely no sense.
 
What an absolute farce of a thread this has been since the first post. Every single ridiculous radfem trope has been wheeled out as fact and then we've ended up with the wholesale extermination of trans people.

Hardly surprising though, given the main contributors to the thread.
 
lafemmefatale said:
What an absolute farce of a thread this has been since the first post. Every single ridiculous radfem trope has been wheeled out as fact and then we've ended up with the wholesale extermination of trans people.

Hardly surprising though, given the main contributors to the thread.
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State your grievances properly, allow debate, don't simply use generalised statements against evey viewpoint, allow people to defend their position or concede they were wrong.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
It is a major health issue if you regard the function of life being to reproduce, which is exactly how I see it. A transsexual is more than likely not going to become a parent, and their genes are less than ideal.

Anyway, people abort for all sorts of inane reasons. It's surely no big deal?
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If gender identity were genetic, it would wipe itself out. That's how evolution works.
 
lafemmefatale said:
Every single ridiculous radfem trope has been wheeled out as fact and then we've ended up with the wholesale extermination of trans people.
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Who is arguing for the wholesale extermination of anyone? A foetus is not a person before the 24th week. Also, 'transsexual' is not a class of people, it's a medical condition.
 
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lafemmefatale said:
What an absolute farce of a thread this has been since the first post. Every single ridiculous radfem trope has been wheeled out as fact and then we've ended up with the wholesale extermination of trans people.

Hardly surprising though, given the main contributors to the thread.
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Nearly every one of your posts in this thread has been a farce. You are continually making things up and talking nonsense.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Well it's black and white for many if not most people, but that is beside the point. My issue is not with men who like to take ****, my issue is with men who like to take **** yet claim to be straight.

I suppose the root of many of my problems with the 21st century is that I call a spade a spade. Apparently to the millennials, the spade is whatever you imagine it to be!
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I'm just going to pretend that the stuff you posted after this (which i can only assume is deliberately trolling) doesn't exist. But on the matter of sexuality, no, it's not black and white for most people. It's incredibly complicated.

If you're so disgusted by male genitalia how do you ever maintain an erection?

So you see it as a clear cut issue, good for you. Let's say i put you in a sealed lab and ask you to determine the gender of an individual in the next room. You can have access to a genetic testing machine, a therapist to ask whatever questions you want, even a camera for them to use as you tell them. How do you proceed?
 
A question since we've touched on eugenics.

What if in some future time, the cause of gender dysphoria is discovered. And it's not a gene, but a deficiency of something during childhood, or hormonal imbalance in the mother during pregnancy (or something like that). Then discovered that this abnormality is also linked with increased occurrences of depression, or mental illness.

Now imagine that we have the ability to cure it. To fix the problem that causes it.

Do we choose not to? Do we decide to reject science, and embrace trans people as entirely natural? Do we decide that the other problems (the depression, the mental illness) are not to be fixed, if fixing them also eradicated trans people?

Now imagine that the same thing is discovered re homosexuality. Would we reject science and say that we value homosexuality in society, and we want to keep it?

I know this isn't a likely scenario, I'm just curious as to how people would answer :p
 
FoxEye said:
A question since we've touched on eugenics.

What if in some future time, the cause of gender dysphoria is discovered. And it's not a gene, but a deficiency of something during childhood, or hormonal imbalance in the mother during pregnancy (or something like that). Then discovered that this abnormality is also linked with increased occurrences of depression, or mental illness.

Now imagine that we have the ability to cure it. To fix the problem that causes it.

Do we choose not to? Do we decide to reject science, and embrace trans people as entirely natural? Do we decide that the other problems (the depression, the mental illness) are not to be fixed, if fixing them also eradicated trans people?

Now imagine that the same thing is discovered re homosexuality. Would we reject science and say that we value homosexuality in society, and we want to keep it?

I know this isn't a likely scenario, I'm just curious as to how people would answer :p
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Beautifully crafted catch-22 question, Bravo!
 
FoxEye said:
A question since we've touched on eugenics.

What if in some future time, the cause of gender dysphoria is discovered. And it's not a gene, but a deficiency of something during childhood, or hormonal imbalance in the mother during pregnancy (or something like that). Then discovered that this abnormality is also linked with increased occurrences of depression, or mental illness.

Now imagine that we have the ability to cure it. To fix the problem that causes it.

Do we choose not to? Do we decide to reject science, and embrace trans people as entirely natural? Do we decide that the other problems (the depression, the mental illness) are not to be fixed, if fixing them also eradicated trans people?

Now imagine that the same thing is discovered re homosexuality. Would we reject science and say that we value homosexuality in society, and we want to keep it?

I know this isn't a likely scenario, I'm just curious as to how people would answer :p
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What if the hormone imbalance is natural?
 
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