The EU Migrant Crisis

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danoliver1 said:
If england had a civil war and we had to flee do you think they would welcome us?
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Thats completely conditional though.

I mean you'd have to assume that those countries were safe for a start, assuming they were well then possibly yes.

BUT..... what if public opinion says 'keep em out, let em die, gun them down in the tunnels' or 'we dont want that christianity here, I dont like having their views on religion living next door to me' is it right??? Should their government keep accepting these brits fleeing war, or should we just **** off back where we came from??

I mean at the end of the day yeah, I'd like to think that if it really came down to it there would be somewhere to go but its impossible to say as I dont write foreign policy for the syrian goverment.
 
Boycey0211 said:
Well the only way I see it as 'our problem' is purely on a humanitarian basis. Ebola wasn't our problem, but we helped. World War 2 initially with respect to housing foreign nationals e.g the Czech and Polish free forces to name a few, we've got a history of being a 'helper' nation.

They have fled to others, again do a bit of research, theres millions in turkey not the 5000 that get cried about here.

Christianity isn't a 'sworn enemy' either, and the same way with christianity people can have a faith without having to follow every written down rule.
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40% of British Muslims want Sharia law in this country. 29% of British Muslims supported the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
 
scorza said:
40% of British Muslims want Sharia law in this country. 29% of British Muslims supported the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
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741% of statistics are taken out of context.

Yeah sure 40% of them want it, they can keep wanting it'll never happen.

Four-fifths (78 per cent) of respondents found it ‘deeply offensive’ when the Prophet Mohamed was depicted in images, while almost one third (32 per cent) of British Muslims were not surprised by January's attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine offices, where 12 people were killed
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So they found something deeply offensive, boo hoo right? Look at the second bit, yeah its a big percentage sure, but the wording?

WERE NOT SURPRISED.

Yup, doesn't say supported. I wouldnt be surprised if you deliberately offend billions of people that a couple of them might pick up a gun and get you back.

Yes I think it was wrong and abhorrent what they did, but if you keep poking something sooner or later its going to bite back.
 
Middle Eastern civil war is nothing new, its been going on for a thousand years, the only reason its flared up to the extent it has now is because we removed all the strong men in the name of some naive liberal agenda.

These people are all deeply religious, its different factions of that religion who are at war with each-other and any other religion.

They are stuck in a time that was the crusades for us.
 
danoliver1 said:
If england had a civil war and we had to flee do you think they would welcome us?
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I can't see Englishmen running away, it is pretty damn pathetic to flee your motherland when it is in time of need. I understand sending women and children away but the men should stay and fight.
 
Boycey0211 said:
741% of statistics are taken out of context.

Yeah sure 40% of them want it, they can keep wanting it'll never happen.



So they found something deeply offensive, boo hoo right? Look at the second bit, yeah its a big percentage sure, but the wording?

WERE NOT SURPRISED.

Yup, doesn't say supported. I wouldnt be surprised if you deliberately offend billions of people that a couple of them might pick up a gun and get you back.

Yes I think it was wrong and abhorrent what they did, but if you keep poking something sooner or later its going to bite back.
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This is precisely what muslim immigrants have been doing with the west for years, Because we are extremely tolerant, Some would say idiotic and they'd be right, They push and push and push, We give them a yard and they take a mile, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there was a mass "Pushback" by non muslims.

Boycey0211 said:
This has been done to death now, it doesn't work like that.
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It really does work like that, If you are a patriot then you defend your country, You don't pack up your manhood and run off like a coward.
 
Dicehunter said:
This is precisely what muslim immigrants have been doing with the west for years, Because we are extremely tolerant, Some would say idiotic and they'd be right, They push and push and push, We give them a yard and they take a mile, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there was a mass "Pushback" by non muslims.



It really does work like that, If you are a patriot then you defend your country, You don't pack up your manhood and run off like a coward.
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What have they taken? I can still walk down the street in safety, we don't have sharia law, we have free religion elections and a justice system free from religious bias.

And as for being a patriot, who do they fight for? Remember there are about 10 different warring factions there and quite a few of them are classed as terrorist organisations by us.

If its that simple you should be able to decide.
 
Boycey0211 said:
741% of statistics are taken out of context.

Yeah sure 40% of them want it, they can keep wanting it'll never happen.



So they found something deeply offensive, boo hoo right? Look at the second bit, yeah its a big percentage sure, but the wording?

WERE NOT SURPRISED.

Yup, doesn't say supported. I wouldnt be surprised if you deliberately offend billions of people that a couple of them might pick up a gun and get you back.

Yes I think it was wrong and abhorrent what they did, but if you keep poking something sooner or later its going to bite back.
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Ah the old 'taken out of context' argument. That old chestnut gets used quite a lot at places like FIFA when their PR-men are cleaning up after Sepp Blatter 'mis-speaks'.
 
Boycey0211 said:
What have they taken?.
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Rotherham? :p

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-34637505

Muslims refuse to cooperate with police amid accusations of islamophobia. Because investigating widespread child grooming is "racist", y'all.

e: this bit is lovely:
“We will not be treated as criminals any longer, nor will we be held responsible for acts of personal self-defence. If South Yorkshire Police cannot adequately protect and serve the Muslim residents of Rotherham; then moving forward we will take all the necessary action to protect ourselves within the confines of the law, whilst maintaining a process of disengagement and non-communication with South Yorkshire Police.”
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All kicking off in Rotherham, again!
 
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Boycey0211 said:
What have they taken? I can still walk down the street in safety, we don't have sharia law, we have free religion elections and a justice system free from religious bias.

And as for being a patriot, who do they fight for? Remember there are about 10 different warring factions there and quite a few of them are classed as terrorist organisations by us.

If its that simple you should be able to decide.
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Look at the big picture for a moment if you can, Logically.

As time goes on Christianity gets less and less because the new generations of westerners are more prone to being atheist while islam is actually on the rise and shows no signs of abating.

Now unlike Christianity which generally you only take part in once per Sunday for 45 minutes, islam is not just a religion, It's a way of life, It's a social structure, Politics, Everything wrapped up into the guise of a religion.

Eventually islam will overtake Christianity, Just look at their numbers now, They have had 600 years less yet are already at 1.57 billion because they start having children as soon as girls first start menstruating which is usually around 12 years old, Again which is disgusting and very primitive and the girls usually have no say in the matter.

To put that in perspective there are 2.2 billion Christians in the world.

Eventually like it or not islams very misogynistic, Intolerant and brutally violent way of life will be forced onto people unless people stand up and say they do not want it in their lives.
 
FoxEye said:
Rotherham? :p

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-34637505

Muslims refuse to cooperate with police amid accusations of islamophobia. Because investigating widespread child grooming is "racist", y'all.

e: this bit is lovely:


All kicking off in Rotherham, again!
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Every time this pops up I can't help but wonder why people seem more bothered about the race of the criminals rather than the crime.

There was another one that got busted a few weeks/ couple of months ago and they were all white british, that slipped off the radar pretty quickly.
 
danoliver1 said:
Do people object to the migrants because they are syrian or because they are muslims? If the were syrian christians would we be more sympathetic?
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If islam was actually tolerant of other religions and cultures people wouldn't give 2 hoots about it, But the fact is it's very intolerant of anything/anyone who isn't muslim, This has been fact now for 1400 years and shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone.
 
Boycey0211 said:
Every time this pops up I can't help but wonder why people seem more bothered about the race of the criminals rather than the crime.

There was another one that got busted a few weeks/ couple of months ago and they were all white british, that slipped off the radar pretty quickly.
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Perhaps because of the scale? 1,400 young girls (pre-pubescents among them) where abused by people of Pakistani heritage.

And a /lot/ of men were involved. Pakistani councillors "acted as a barrier" to the investigation, and are accused of trying to cover it up.

Should we not bring Rotherham up then? Better to brush it under the carpet, eh? Yes, I thought so. Much easier if we do that.

And you didn't address the fact that muslim groups are now "boycotting" the police, and refusing to cooperate with their investigations? Good show by the Rotherham muslims, there. Not shooting themselves in the foot at all, are they. Or perhaps they finally feel empowered to ignore the law altogether, in favour of their own laws and codes.
 
FoxEye said:
Perhaps because of the scale? 1,400 young girls (pre-pubescents among them) where abused by people of Pakistani heritage.

And a /lot/ of men were involved. Pakistani councillors "acted as a barrier" to the investigation, and are accused of trying to cover it up.

Should we not bring Rotherham up then? Better to brush it under the carpet, eh? Yes, I thought so. Much easier if we do that.
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Thats not what I said at all and you know it.

Yeah the scale is massive and any sort of cover up was wrong, but why have you brought it up as a reference to islam/muslims?

If they had been all white british would it be less of an issue for you I suppose. ( I can put words in mouth aswell)

e; you ninja'd me to the last bit, but did you bother reading the article:

MCFA accused South Yorkshire Police of "deflecting attention from their own failures" by using the Jay report to scapegoat Muslims.

It said: "Over the last 14 months, the Muslim community has time and again condemned wholesale child sexual exploitation brought to light.

"However, the findings of the Jay Report cannot and must not be used to scapegoat and discriminate against the entire Muslim community."
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This is why they are taking issue with it.
 
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