Germaine Greer on Transexuality

tom_e · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:46

lafemmefatale said:
We tried women for being witches. That was completely wrong and immoral too.

Yes, because that is exactly the same as tricking someone into believing they were a man so they could have sex with them :confused:

spoffle · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:51

lafemmefatale said:
We tried women for being witches. That was completely wrong and immoral too.

Are you really suggesting that what they woman did was fine and she shouldn't have been reprimanded for it?

lafemmefatale · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:54

What's interesting is that the vast majority of the vocal people in this thread can also be found in the migrant thread peddling their fearmongering rhetoric about the funny-speaking brown people.

As I previously stated, there's a litmus test for prejudice.

tom_e · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:54

lafemmefatale said:
What's interesting is that the vast majority of the vocal people in this thread can also be found in the migrant thread peddling their fearmongering rhetoric about the funny-speaking brown people.

As I previously stated, there's a litmus test for prejudice.

I find it more interesting that you post statements yet rarely back them up if anyone questions them.

Schlong&Stable · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:56

lafemmefatale said:
What's interesting is that the vast majority of the vocal people in this thread can also be found in the migrant thread peddling their fearmongering rhetoric about the funny-speaking brown people.

As I previously stated, there's a litmus test for prejudice.

I honestly don't think you know what that word means, as you repeatedly misuse it.

FoxEye · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:56

lafemmefatale said:
What's interesting is that the vast majority of the vocal people in this thread can also be found in the migrant thread peddling their fearmongering rhetoric about the funny-speaking brown people.

As I previously stated, there's a litmus test for prejudice.

Surely not deflecting again, LFF? Don't you get tired of all this dancing around the question at hand?

Tom B · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:56

Thompson_NCL said:
Vegetarianism is a choice, sexuality is not, its written in the very fibre of our being. Tricking people into homosexual acts is therefore an attack on the very fibre of someone's being. That can be deeply traumatic and lead to mental health problems and suicides.

If we don't regard sexuality as being such a fundamental part of a persons being, we don't need laws protecting homosexuality, because its just a choice. They can sleep with the opposite sex if they want to avoid stigma.

Full disclosure is the only moral option. A person ahould not be forced to compromise theit sexuality and end up suicidal.

If you're that emotionally fragile then you should be very careful who you sleep with. Ask someone "Have you always been a woman?" before you sleep with them.

Should it be on the trans person to bring it up, or should someone who is going to feel "deceived" actively ask?

Hitman_Leon · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:57

lafemmefatale said:
We tried women for being witches. That was completely wrong and immoral too.

In hindsight perhaps, some women display great proficiency of witchery even today lafemmefatale, a great many of the women were accused by fellow women, it was not victimisation though, it was a nervous and superstitious society.

Hitman_Leon · 30 Oct 2015 at 16:59

FoxEye said:
Surely not deflecting again, LFF? Don't you get tired of all this dancing around the question at hand?

She has not once answered direct question, she must be comfortable under her bridge.

lafemmefatale · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:00

Tom B said:
If you're that emotionally fragile then you should be very careful who you sleep with. Ask someone "Have you always been a woman?" before you sleep with them.

Should it be on the trans person to bring it up, or should someone who is going to feel "deceived" actively ask?

Don't be bringing such ridiculous ideas into this thread. Of course the freak should own up to being a freak before even so much as daring to make eye contact with the alpha male.

lafemmefatale · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:01

Hitman_Leon said:
She has not once answered direct question, she must be comfortable under her bridge.

I have an awesome bridge just down the road from me. It lights up different colours at night and everything.

FoxEye · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:01

Tom B said:
Should it be on the trans person to bring it up, or should someone who is going to feel "deceived" actively ask?

Probably most mono-sexual people would answer one way, and trans rights lobbyists another way

As for the bi people - no idea which way they'd swing

I know which way I'd answer, but I can't speak for everyone. Should the majority decide? Should we try to quantify the harm done by the deception? Is this even possible?

Hitman_Leon · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:04

lafemmefatale said:
Don't be bringing such ridiculous ideas into this thread. Of course the freak should own up to being a freak before even so much as daring to make eye contact with the alpha male.

Such hostility, too much caffeine.

lafemmefatale · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:05

FoxEye said:
Probably most mono-sexual people would answer one way, and trans rights lobbyists another way As for the bi people - no idea which way they'd swing

I know which way I'd answer, but I can't speak for everyone. Should the majority decide? Should we try to quantify the harm done by the deception? Is this even possible?

"Deception" as you perceive it, happens very very rarely. Tarring every trans person by the same brush doesn't help anyone.

As I said before, which you conveniently declined to repy to, by extension of your logic, you are a remorseless rapist because of Ched Evans, right.

lafemmefatale · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:06

Hitman_Leon said:
Such hostility, too much caffeine.

So why do trans people get beaten up and killed simply for walking down the street minding their own business?

spoffle · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:07

Tom B said:
If you're that emotionally fragile then you should be very careful who you sleep with. Ask someone "Have you always been a woman?" before you sleep with them.

Should it be on the trans person to bring it up, or should someone who is going to feel "deceived" actively ask?

Why does the burden lay on the majority? The likelihood of them saying "no" is statistically slim.

lafemmefatale · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:09

spoffle said:
Why does the burden lay on the majority? The likelihood of them saying "no" is statistically slim.

That's not the point. If your perceived masculinity is in that fragile a state, wouldn't you prefer to know beforehand, so you can remove yourself away from a situation that you would rather not be in?

Hitman_Leon · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:10

lafemmefatale said:
So why do trans people get beaten up and killed simply for walking down the street minding their own business?

Because some people are cretins, if your supposition was that I would support such a thing then you are wrong.

Tom B · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:10

spoffle said:
Why does the burden lay on the majority? The likelihood of them saying "no" is statistically slim.

I agree, but for someone as worried about being deceived as some posters in this thread, there's nothing to stop them actively asking.

Threepwood · 30 Oct 2015 at 17:11

Hitman_Leon said:
it was not victimisation though, it was a nervous and superstitious society.

True. Witch hunters never victimized anyone, ever.