The EU Migrant Crisis

[Dicehunter]

This is a joke surely? Germany's either going to burn or goes full Reich mode at this rate.

The right wing in Germany are gaining popularity very quickly, In Dresden there was a gathering/protest of more than 20,000 waving the German flag and that's only 1 of many gatherings.

Video in the article - http://www.********.com/view?i=667_1443649423

 

[maltrabob]

Everything is wrong with being a racist, it's a cultural and instictual cancer which represents the origin of the most horrific acts mankind has done in history. Luckily, you and your friend dare only express it online or in private and you are unable to act on it. Furthermore, racism is deeply connected to fear so the bigger the racist, the bigger the coward. You two should be proud of yourselves.

You can also add religion, tribal and clan wars on top of that. Also, by saying that I am not fond of people of certain race, religion or ideology I am not saying I feel like they need to be harmed in any way. I just don't want somebody forcing me to love them or befriend them when I do not want to. I have no problem to accept them as soon as they stick to our rules. Simple as that.

Furthermore, racism is deeply connected to fear so the bigger the racist, the bigger the coward. - no idea where that came from but sounds like a pile of rubbish to me tbh.

Get new friends.

No thanks, I like them the way they are.

 

[Feef]

If you have lived and worked in Germany which clearly you have not you would know the left wing have no logic, Why do you think the chancellor who is meant to be right but is clearly left has opened the doors for more than 800,000 ? It's completely illogical for the German people but she's doing it anyway even though there's already a lot of trouble.

At this moment in time it's important to get more people in the country for the chancellor as this will slowly force the wages down ergo they don't care if a few German citizens are displaced.

Correct, I have not, though I did used to live in Austria. I still fail to see why anyone would promote a policy that disadvantages citizens of the country. If we take the primary concern of being in power to be maintaining power, it wouldn't make sense to harm the people who can vote for you in favour of those who can't.

If we don't accept that as a theory, it still simply doesn't make sense to actively disrupt society to such an extent. Assuming you're suggesting these 800,000 (?) will come in and take jobs from Germans for less money, that's going to cause a massive amount of discontent. Who would actively seek that?

The idea that this is being promoted for some political agenda just doesn't work.

 

[marmalade]

It is astonishing that suddenly Merkel has innumerable Billions for these migrant hordes (foreign in every way) but is unable to provide winter never mind 12 monthly beds for Germany's less fortunate citizens. Hamburg for example has a dire need of affordable accommodation for your average working Joe or indeed sheila. Social payments are not thrown around with the reckless abandon that happens in the UK. The situation is truly completely unbelievable. The state will commandeer buildings. Yet how long will this continue will there be a backlash It would appear that only PEGIDA is organizing a counter resistance. Notwithstanding any negative traits it may have Pegida has to be supported and encouraged our very existence depends upon it. The media are not adequately reporting the situation. A church for example hosting some Muslims has removed the altar and crosses so that the moozes feel more at home. Course in my home state of Mecklenburg it is creating more jobs catering for them but there is a shortage of suitable people and health professionals of every which sort. The Police will need to increase their numbers dramatically- in Brunswick where I have family members the police are overwhelmed by the actions of the hordes. I can see people in the country arming themselves via smugglers from the east. In Austria they have run out of shotguns (no licence needed) and there is a queue of people waiting to get handgun licences. Trouble is waiting with the winter weather and the fact that they are not being housed in the better hotels and their days are not filled with joyous thing to do. How long do you give it before the country wakes up to what the politician have done?
One of the greatest mystery's for me is how the Swedes a country of around 10 million can continue to accommodate an endless steam of migrants. They are refusing to leave Hamburg Railway station as the Danish Police have been registering a few of them and their aim is Sweden (~Denmark has dramatically cut their benefits - wonderful these mobile phones how news travels) Germany has provided tickets for the rail and ferries - cheap cheap for Germany so they need a direct route meaning Kiel or Travemunde in S.Holstein or Sassnitz or Rostock in Mecklenburg. Now don't forget these migrants are so grateful just to reach a safe country out of the line of fire!!!

 

[Dicehunter]

Correct, I have not, though I did used to live in Austria. I still fail to see why anyone would promote a policy that disadvantages citizens of the country. If we take the primary concern of being in power to be maintaining power, it wouldn't make sense to harm the people who can vote for you in favour of those who can't.

If we don't accept that as a theory, it still simply doesn't make sense to actively disrupt society to such an extent. Assuming you're suggesting these 800,000 (?) will come in and take jobs from Germans for less money, that's going to cause a massive amount of discontent. Who would actively seek that?

The idea that this is being promoted for some political agenda just doesn't work.

And I totally agree with you in the fact that this is nuts but it's happening, Like it or not.

 

[Tephnos]

Correct, I have not, though I did used to live in Austria. I still fail to see why anyone would promote a policy that disadvantages citizens of the country. If we take the primary concern of being in power to be maintaining power, it wouldn't make sense to harm the people who can vote for you in favour of those who can't.

If we don't accept that as a theory, it still simply doesn't make sense to actively disrupt society to such an extent. Assuming you're suggesting these 800,000 (?) will come in and take jobs from Germans for less money, that's going to cause a massive amount of discontent. Who would actively seek that?

The idea that this is being promoted for some political agenda just doesn't work.

You're insinuating that politicians have sense?

It's real, and it's happening. Apparently Merkel can't see a foot past her own nose.

 

[Feef]

You're insinuating that politicians have sense?

It's real, and it's happening. Apparently Merkel can't see a foot past her own nose.

Of course they do. It's easy and popular to poke fun at politicians all around the world, but you don't end up in such positions without either a modicum of intelligence or a smart team of people behind you telling you what to do.

As for "it's real", I can still only find two examples of this happening, where the current tenants were given as much as 6 months' notice to vacate their properties, and the landlord was being offered more than they were receiving in rent previously. Makes sense from their perspective. It's not like people are having their houses repossessed, they're being asked to leave privately rented properties, with a more than fair notice period, as the landlord can get more money from elsewhere. I thought that should perfectly sit with the general OCUK ideals?

 

[Dicehunter]

Of course they do. It's easy and popular to poke fun at politicians all around the world, but you don't end up in such positions without either a modicum of intelligence or a smart team of people behind you telling you what to do.

As for "it's real", I can still only find two examples of this happening, where the current tenants were given as much as 6 months' notice to vacate their properties, and the landlord was being offered more than they were receiving in rent previously. Makes sense from their perspective. It's not like people are having their houses repossessed, they're being asked to leave privately rented properties, with a more than fair notice period, as the landlord can get more money from elsewhere. I thought that should perfectly sit with the general OCUK ideals?

Then it's only "fair" that you be asked to leave your current accommodation within the next 6 months to make room for refugees and you have no say in the matter.

Sounds fair right ?..........

 

[Feef]

Yes? My last private rental contract in the UK asked the landlord to serve 2 months notice for me to leave, didn't have to be any reason.

 

[Dicehunter]

Yes? My last private rental contract in the UK asked the landlord to serve 2 months notice for me to leave, didn't have to be any reason.

It's disturbing that you are completely ok and seem to revel in the fact that German citizens are being displaced by muslim refugees who not only think the places they go into are disgusting like she said in the video but demand more.

Something very wrong there dude.

 

[Feef]

In what way am I revelling in the fact that a private landlord asked their tenant to leave with an acceptable notice period because it would mean more money for them for their property?

I have numerous issues with landlords in general, but whether their property is going to an asylum seeker or not is pretty irrelevant. No idea what the Muslim part has to do with it at all.

(As for the complaing part, I'm purely speculating here, but if you took a huge group of people - 800,000 I believe you said? - then it's going to be pretty easy to find some prissy ***** you can film)

 

[maltrabob]

Yes? My last private rental contract in the UK asked the landlord to serve 2 months notice for me to leave, didn't have to be any reason.

Well good luck then to German private landlords renting to immigrants who, for example, have to be explained the purpose of toilets. Just watched a documentary on Chanel 4 about many private landlords stopping renting to people on benefits here in UK after disastrous experiences with them.
Another thing is, all that posh private accommodation is gonna be paid by taxpayers, what a deal!

 

[Dicehunter]

In what way am I revelling in the fact that a private landlord asked their tenant to leave with an acceptable notice period because it would mean more money for them for their property?

I have numerous issues with landlords in general, but whether their property is going to an asylum seeker or not is pretty irrelevant. No idea what the Muslim part has to do with it at all.

(As for the complaing part, I'm purely speculating here, but if you took a huge group of people - 800,000 I believe you said? - then it's going to be pretty easy to find some prissy ***** you can film)

Well at least we know which side you're on and that's definitely not the German peoples side.

 

[Mynight]

Well at least we know which side you're on and that's definitely not the German peoples side.

Feef = Merkle .

 

[lafemmefatale]

I thought that should perfectly sit with the general OCUK ideals?

Rampant greed and capitalism is lauded so highly on these forums, except for when the funny-speaking brown people are involved, then all bets are off and it's an absolute travesty.

 

[Dicehunter]

Feef = Merkle .

It does seem like it.

Rampant greed and capitalism is lauded so highly on these forums, except for when the funny-speaking brown people are involved, then all bets are off and it's an absolute travesty.

Correction, The "Funny speaking brown people" who can't stand your culture, Refuse to integrate yet move to your country and take the states money.

 

[Feef]

Well good luck then to German private landlords renting to immigrants who, for example, have to be explained the purpose of toilets. Just watched a documentary on Chanel 4 about many private landlords stopping renting to people on benefits here in UK after disastrous experiences with them.
Another thing is, all that posh private accommodation is gonna be paid by taxpayers, what a deal!

You seem to be getting angry about several different things here, and I'm not sure which to begin with. Which posh private accommodation is this?

though, to be fair, I do occasionally get irritated by the Kazakhstani circus performers here who still squat on the toilet seat. But it's only some footprints, it's not the end of the world. Certainly nothing compared to what I've seen British people manage to project on to the ceilings of toilets at festivals.

Well at least we know which side you're on and that's definitely not the German peoples side.

Should I be on the German people's side, as opposed to the just the people's side? I love Germany, but that doesn't really change the fact that a landlord can serve notice to their tenants.

 

[FoxEye]

It does seem like it.

Correction, The "Funny speaking brown people" who can't stand your culture, Refuse to integrate yet move to your country and take the states money.

Oh but that's our fault for being racist and hostile, and bigoted and nationalist, and selfish and privileged. They (the muslim immigrants) are just protecting themselves from us. They need to form these ghettos to feel safe from the disgusting behaviour of the natives.

There's an answer for everything, and it's easier for the liberals because they don't have to base their answer in any kind of reality.

though, to be fair, I do occasionally get irritated by the Kazakhstani circus performers here who still squat on the toilet seat. But it's only some footprints, it's not the end of the world. Certainly nothing compared to what I've seen British people manage to project on to the ceilings of toilets at festivals.

Yes, yes. Another common tactic. For everything the immigrants do, there are things the natives do that are "much worse".

We should be glad they are coming here. Perhaps they can bring their enlightened culture with them, and show the British barbarians how to live in a civilised world.

 

[Dicehunter]

Oh but that's our fault for being racist and hostile, and bigoted and nationalist, and selfish and privileged. They (the muslim immigrants) are just protecting themselves from us. They need to form these ghettos to feel safe from the disgusting behaviour of the natives.

There's an answer for everything, and it's easier for the liberals because they don't have to base their answer in any kind of reality.



Yes, yes. Another common tactic. For everything the immigrants do, there are things the natives do that are "much worse".

We should be glad they are coming here. Perhaps they can bring their enlightened culture with them, and show the British barbarians how to live in a civilised world.

You hit the nail on the head, Liberals do not have to live with them, I did when I lived in Berlin, My brother and his girlfriend still have to, My mom has been harassed by them but it's totally ok according to the liberals because we don't matter, Only islam matters.

 

[Feef]

Yes, yes. Another common tactic. For everything the immigrants do, there are things the natives do that are "much worse".

We should be glad they are coming here. Perhaps they can bring their enlightened culture with them, and show the British barbarians how to live in a civilised world.

I would suggest the common tactic is more dismissing anything related to our own behaviour. It's an easy line to repeat, but doesn't actually address the fact that we have plenty of issues of our own. Much like another common tactic from your second paragraph - I don't believe I (or anyone else in the recent history of this thread) said any of those things. So why say that? Is it just easier to repeat the same things again and again regardless of the current discussion?