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"Attacker in Paris concert hall shouted 'Allahu akbar', fired into crowd, witness says"

NO, you scum are not Muslim, and you don't deserve to disgrace the name of God like that. You don't deserve to hide your faces among the people of Islam like that. One day, you will get the punishment you deserve, but until then, WE suffer.

You're not breaking the people of France or anywhere else you attack. Everyone you've struck has gotten right back up stronger than before. They have the whole world behind them, and rightfully so. No, these people aren't afraid of you. These people are strong.

You're breaking me. You're breaking my parents. You're breaking my family in California and Texas and Canada and England and Pakistan and everywhere else. You're breaking my Muslim brothers and sisters all over the world. These are the people who suffer the most.

I will not apologize for you, not just because it's inexcusable, but because you are not welcome to act in my name.

I am not with you, and I never will be.

Today I stand behind the millions of innocent and downtrodden people who will have to pay for your actions.

Today I stand behind the people you killed for no reason. These are the real martyrs. Today, I stand behind the people of France.
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Much more of this on my facebook timeline/twitter feed than anything negative, now that I've removed all the mouth breathing pond scum sharing Britain first propaganda. This is what I like to see.
 
ultralaser said:
It's depressing seeing a community like OCUK so at odds after such an awful event. In my own view these events need us all (whether it's a computer forum or not) to come together and pay our respects and use both our heads and hearts when considering the response we'd like to see from the UK (and EU).

For me, my first step to "understanding" (if you ever can) an event like this is to an think why they did this. We all know ISIS are both cowards and brutal, but why shoot down an airliner (assuming they did) and why attack random people in Paris? My personal view is that they are getting hit hard by a group of countries (Russia, France and the US primarily) and wanted to send a strong message that "mess with us in the Middle East and there will be consequences in your own countries". For me, personally, that's a positive message, it means that the actions we are taking are being effective and forcing ISIS to change their methodology. Paraphrasing a British classic "They don't like it up'em"

When it comes to immigration and the refugee crisis, Channel 4 news just confirmed that two of the attackers came to France during this refugee crisis. And whilst I totally accept that many of us believe that compassion and welcoming refugees into the UK is a positive force in challenging extremism, we must also accept that the primary responsibility of the governments of EU is the safety of its citizens. To that end it seems we have to reconsider our (and the EU's) current policy with respect to the Syrian refugee crisis. That said we have to, we must not fall into the trap of isolating Muslims in the UK (or wider EU), the further we isolate / deride them the more fuel we put of the fire of extremism.

Just my view of course.
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So 130 people are dead, 300 wounded and 99 of those are in a critical condition yet you want us not to upset Muslims?
 
Evangelion said:
That's one registered refugee out of millions. What was your point again?
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Umm? :confused: Lol what on earth are you talking about?

I didn't make a point? I posted four words after mentioning the story. My post was just to say that now the story has been leaked, all the people who were looking for a reason to start an outcry now have it

Jesus, the idiots on this board sometimes
 
Steedie said:
Umm? :confused: Lol what on earth are you talking about?

My post was just to say that now the story has been leaked, all the people who were looking for a reason to start an outcry now have it

Jesus, the idiots on this board sometimes
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I'm not an idiot for asking you to clarify your point.
 
ultralaser said:
When it comes to immigration and the refugee crisis, Channel 4 news just confirmed that two of the attackers came to France during this refugee crisis. And whilst I totally accept that many of us believe that compassion and welcoming refugees into the UK is a positive force in challenging extremism, we must also accept that the primary responsibility of the governments of EU is the safety of its citizens. To that end it seems we have to reconsider our (and the EU's) current policy with respect to the Syrian refugee crisis. That said we have to, we must not fall into the trap of isolating Muslims in the UK (or wider EU), the further we isolate / deride them the more fuel we put of the fire of extremism.
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The fact that they came to Europe as refugees means absolutely nothing, and should change nothing about how we deal with the refugee crisis. The fact that they chose the most convenient method of entering Europe should come as no surprise to anyone.

I'm not sure what your point really is. If it's that more restrictions on refugees entering the EU would have somehow prevented them from doing so, you've got to be having a laugh. If it wasn't so easy, they wouldn't have come that way... They would have come another way. We're talking about people who are willing to die for their cause, and who have connections allowing them to access some seriously heavy weaponry. Are you seriously suggesting that a closed door policy to Syrian refugees would have stopped these people?
 
Zefan said:
The fact that they came to Europe as refugees means absolutely nothing, and should change nothing about how we deal with the refugee crisis. The fact that they chose the most convenient method of entering Europe should come as no surprise to anyone.

I'm not sure what your point really is. If it's that more restrictions on refugees entering the EU would have somehow prevented them from doing so, you've got to be having a laugh. If it wasn't so easy, they wouldn't have come that way... They would have come another way. We're talking about people who are willing to die for their cause, and who have connections allowing them to access some seriously heavy weaponry. Are you seriously suggesting that a closed door policy to Syrian refugees would have stopped these people?
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So if they choose the easiest path, why create that path?
 
Zefan said:
I'm not sure what your point really is. If it's that more restrictions on refugees entering the EU would have somehow prevented them from doing so, you've got to be having a laugh. If it wasn't so easy, they wouldn't have come that way... They would have come another way. We're talking about people who are willing to die for their cause, and who have connections allowing them to access some seriously heavy weaponry. Are you seriously suggesting that a closed door policy to Syrian refugees would have stopped these people?
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So don't make it harder for these people because they will just find another way anyway? :confused:
 
Anyone see the thread that just got deleted a second ago? LOL signing up in November 2015.


A 51-year-old Montenegrin man is in custody in Bavaria in southern Germany on suspicion of supplying arms and explosives to the Paris attackers, the authorities in Munich said.

The man was stopped in a Volkswagen Golf with Montenegrin plates near Bavaria’s border with Austria on 5 November. A pistol was found under the engine hood and the car was then taken apart to reveal a sophisticated smuggling operation with automatic weapons, 200 grammes of TNT, hand grenades and ammunition carefully concealed in the car’s bodywork
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Scary seems it was intended to be a lot bigger.
 
OldCoals said:
So if they choose the easiest path, why create that path?
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Because you'd be punishing millions of innocent refugees who lets not forget are refugees mostly due to USA/UK meddling in the region in the first place.... who will just become angry and hateful towards the UK/EU in general if we refuse to help them.

Don't want the responsibility for consequences of our actions in the middle east.... stop ******* around there.

Terrorists can get in anyway. Refugees want to come here to LIVE, a holiday won't cut it, terrorists don't want to live here. They will happily have someone in country murder people to steal passports or whatever else. Terrorists will make it in regardless, refugees shouldn't be punished because people are too naive to realise this.

Plenty of terrorists, foreign and home grown, were already in France and the UK before the refugees were allowed in.

You may as well shut down all hospitals and stop providing medical care after one psycho getting treatment kills a doctor... who cares that almost everyone else is absolutely no threat to doctors, it shouldn't be easy to get into hospitals because of this one incident. :rolleyes:
 
ultralaser said:
And whilst I totally accept that many of us believe that compassion and welcoming refugees into the UK is a positive force in challenging extremism
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So, rubbing forced immigration in our noses is "challenging extremism" :confused:
m'kay

How about not doing that and make everyone happy instead.

we must not fall into the trap of isolating Muslims in the UK (or wider EU), the further we isolate / deride them the more fuel we put of the fire of extremism.
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So where were you when the Extreme Left decided that they knew best and started shoving minorities into inner city ghettos, which inevitability bred more extremism and insular communities.

The fail safe way to not create extremism in the first place is not to put people into situations they don't like, then there is nothing to feel unhappy about.
 
Really wasn't appropriate considering what happened even moreso the images in it for this forum IMO.

Rofflay said:
Anyone see the thread that just got deleted a second ago? LOL signing up in November 2015.
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Yeah, I'm sure I wasn't the only one RTMing it.

Somewhat worried this isn't over for the weekend :(.
 
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