This petition [will it change anything?]

Snookums · 16 Nov 2015 at 14:49

bloodiedathame said:
A bit like those who think all Muslims are terrorist sympathisers.

+1

grimm · 16 Nov 2015 at 14:50

Closing the borders won't do any good at this stage. The extremists that are likely to cause harm are almost certainly already in the country, and at least some of them will have been born here.

Closing the borders is not really feasible, and wouldn't do much (if any) good even if we did. Signing the petition doesn't automatically mean that someone is racist though, there are all sorts of reasons someone might sign it such as being cautious, scared, uneducated, unable to see the bigger picture etc. etc.

I'm even tempted to sign it myself just to see what would happen (I expect nothing would happen).

bitslice · 16 Nov 2015 at 14:52

zoomee said:
you're more likely to be killed by a falling refrigerator than a terrorist attack here!:

If people feared being hit by fridges, then ISIS would be throwing fridges off the top of the Eiffel Tower.

People fear being shot at a concert, being blown up on a bus, being beheaded because they are a soldier or a policeman.

Saying that something is statistically unlikely to happen is pointless.

Daze · 16 Nov 2015 at 14:55

Snookums said:
We are all people on this planet, all life is equal. Why should we stop aiding others just to save our own skin? It's not fair to leave those exposed when we can easily shelter them.

Completely disagree. The lives of my friends and family are far more important to me than the lives of people from the other side of the world who I do not know. That's just part of the selfishness of human nature. No point lying about it.

You can't simple stop a terrorist by restricting passage to the country. They will find a way in/already have enough in to damage us already. Closing borders will not have any benefit for anyone.

Yes we can... We can make it a lot harder for them, and in turn limit the amount of terrorists that are successful in getting into the UK - which will prevent major attacks and as a result save UK lives.

The mass migration is IS' Trojan horse...

Dave85 · 16 Nov 2015 at 14:57

I'm all for it to be honest.

dl8860 · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:02

Gilly said:
Oh, certainly. There are polar opposites here but they are opposites on a sliding scale, the vast majority of people will be somewhere in the middle. That middle being 'I don't want to endanger foreign nationals more than is absolutely necessary but wish to balance that with my own safety and that of my family'.

About right for you?

Well even that middle that you have defined is a sliding scale. You could say that basically everyone would agree with that statement (barring sociopaths and real racists), it's just the risk you perceive from uncontrolled immigration versus the benefit you think it does. I'll freely admit that I place a very great deal more value on my life and those I love than refugees.

It's an empathy thing, I have very high empathy with people I know and very low empathy with people I don't encounter. Sometimes I think about what sort of person that makes me, but it's just how I think. In some people's eyes that might look selfish, and I'll take that accusation on the chin, but when people call it racist then I think that's out of order

Neil79 · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:07

Snookums said:
I'm with Gilly on this one McGray. In no way is most of the forum racist. You have a very poor perception of majority if you believe so.

And in this I agree, if anything this forum is far left, probably a bit too far :eek:

Schlong&Stable · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:10

harry5522 said:
Lets face it. If you sign that petition you have racist agendas. Why else would you want stop thousands of women and children seeking refuge from the very thing that happens in France.

And no it does not make them not important just a insubstantial minority of people (racists).

Also what the **** would closing the boarders do? The majority of these attacks are carried out by radicalized nationals

Ahh, the good old 'racism' card. The last redoubt of those incapable of making a sound argument.

Shocky-FM · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:20

Could you imagine if the UK government decided everything based on weekly national polls? who would we blame then?

FloppyPoppy · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:25

Thompson_NCL said:
Ahh, the good old 'racism' card. The last redoubt of those incapable of making a sound argument.

From someone who once said " We seem to be entering dangerous territory where a woman's word is worth more than a man " You can't really come out and give us the "Racism card" treatment when i could just as easily pull the "sexism card" But i wouldn't because it's a **** irrelevant argument.
Look at the majority of comments on the sources where it's all about how it's the Muslims.

Nevakonaza · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:25

zoomee said:
dude you need a reality check - your more likely to be killed by a falling refrigerator than a terrorist attack here!: http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/08/3609796/islamist-terrorism-europe/

Stop buying into the media hype

Says the one linking me to an article..seriously,i don't believe that at all...and a fridge?..

Its not rocket science,We know they're going to take advantage of the migrant crisis and smuggle in terrorists,Its an easy way in for them.

I love the comments on "racists"..that has absolutely nothing to do with it,I have non white people in my family,i have friends that are not white..colour makes no difference to me,were all human.

Chuk_Chuk · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:29

I'm worried that they are using the migrant crisis to smuggle weapons across the border.

chief barker · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:40

Terrorists are a race now? So is Islam apparently.

Malt_Vinegar · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:46

Closing the doors to the country to the people fleeing the same sort of violence on a daily basis is exactly what "they" want. Sure it might solve a short term problem, but you cannot legislate for the 0.00001% who wish to create terror whatever you do.
Closing the borders only makes us a bigger target and plays to their agenda.

thedoc46 · 16 Nov 2015 at 15:48

harry5522 said:
Lets face it. If you sign that petition you have racist agendas. Why else would you want stop thousands of women and children seeking refuge from the very thing that happens in France.

And no it does not make them not important just a insubstantial minority of people (racists).

Also what the **** would closing the boarders do? The majority of these attacks are carried out by radicalized nationals

Snookums said:
These people can't see past their own noses. In what way is closing our borders going to help anyone? I can guarantee you these are the same 400000 people that think its Islam to blame, in fact no these people are so stupid they probably don't even realize Islam is the religion Muslims follow. I honestly feel so sorry right now for the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world that are being segregated and shunned by the degenerates of western society. These people stereotype the largest group of people in the world by the smallest percentage, and they wonder why these extremists are so ****** at the west.

You're the ones who can't see past your noses. Many muslims are sympathetic to ISIS. If a pew poll showed that something like 78% of BRITISH muslims wanted the Danish cartoonist prosecuted for drawing pic of Mohammed, then imagine what these 'Syrian refugees' mainly men of fighting age are thinking.

Its a bit like saying not all Germans were bad in WWII. I'm sure they're not, but when the majority sympathised with what hitler was doing, then it was time to raze the county to the ground, and settle matters.

FloppyPoppy · 16 Nov 2015 at 16:06

thedoc46 said:
You're the ones who can't see past your noses.

Many muslims are sympathetic to ISIS.

I think you need to look past your nose here and realize that what you have said about "Many Muslims being sympathetic to the daesh" is utter BS.

This comes to mind

V F · 16 Nov 2015 at 16:12

Snookums said:
We are all people on this planet, all life is equal. Why should we stop aiding others just to save our own skin? It's not fair to leave those exposed when we can easily shelter them.

You can't simple stop a terrorist by restricting passage to the country. They will find a way in/already have enough in to damage us already. Closing borders will not have any benefit for anyone.

Since when... Life has never been equal on this planet.

Schlong&Stable · 16 Nov 2015 at 16:13

harry5522 said:
From someone who once said " We seem to be entering dangerous territory where a woman's word is worth more than a man " You can't really come out and give us the "Racism card" treatment when i could just as easily pull the "sexism card" But i wouldn't because it's a **** irrelevant argument.
Look at the majority of comments on the sources where it's all about how it's the Muslims.

Firstly, I don't recall that particular post. If I did post that, then I am pretty sure that it was my being sarcastic. That said, this post doesn't make sense anyway. You played the racism card, so what are you on about saying you could pull the sexism card as a counter? You're playing both!

And it is the Muslims. From West Africa to East Asia and beyond, Islam is involved in wars, terrorism and oppression. It's not the Sikhs, Hindus or Christians.

StriderX · 16 Nov 2015 at 16:26

There's only one solution, instantaneous drone confirmation (+some crispy action) within borders and mass surveillance.

That's where the limp-minded are taking the situation.

zoomee · 16 Nov 2015 at 16:31

Thompson_NCL said:
And it is the Muslims. From West Africa to East Asia and beyond, Islam is involved in wars, terrorism and oppression. It's not the Sikhs, Hindus or Christians.

Islam isn't 'involved' in anything to do with terrorism - it is strictly forbidden, but you already know that - we all know what your agenda is, bet you were amongst the first to sign that petition lol.

ISIS is a danger first and foremost to muslims. Over a hundred thousand muslims have been killed by ISIS in the past two years alone - much more than any western victims. ISIS are actually referred to as Khawarij in arabic. Look up the term if your actually interested in learning about these nutcases. If we hadn't have messed up Iraq with our wars of revenge we wouldn't be in this mess with ISIS right now.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our...ng_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/

Try educating yourself.

Our terrorism double standard: After Paris, let’s stop blaming Muslims and take a hard look at ourselves
Any time there is an attack on civilians in the post-9/11 West, demagogues immediately blame it on Muslims. They frequently lack evidence, but depend on the blunt force of anti-Muslim bigotry to bolster their accusations.

Actual evidence, on the other hand, shows that less than two percent of terrorist attacks from 2009 to 2013 in the E.U. were religiously motivated. In 2013, just one percent of the 152 terrorist attacks were religious in nature; in 2012, less than three percent of the 219 terrorist attacks were inspired by religion.

The vast majority of terrorist attacks in these years were motivated by ethno-nationalism or separatism. In 2013, 55 percent of terrorist attacks were ethno-nationalist or separatist in nature; in 2012, more than three-quarters (76 percent) of terrorist attacks were inspired by ethno-nationalism or separatism.

These facts, nonetheless, have never stopped the prejudiced pundits from insisting otherwise.