What is the Justice rationale behind this court's decision? Teenager avoids jail after raping a 5 ye

It's disappointing that the father would almost certainly receive a hasher sentence were he to give the scumbag a good kicking :(

So what's the purpose of incarceration then?

If it's to act as punishment/deterrent, then 2 years rehab isn't exactly much of a punishment for such a crime!

If it's to protect the public then again 2 years of rehab isn't going to do much...

I don't understand the argument of "well he might have mental problems and not have known it was wrong" - surely that's all the more argument for him to incarcerated, or do we reckon 2 years of rehab is going to sort all of those mental problems out?

More likely is that in 2.5 years there's going to be a completely free 19/20 year old rapist with the rest of their (normal) life ahead of them (free to have and rape kids of their own) and a 7/8 year old rape victim who's going to be affected by this for the rest of their life.
 
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He's on a list for 2.5 years, he's free now. Being on a list might mean people check up on your or people can check your name against it. It doesn't actually stop him going and raping another kid now.

I think the fact he can get off the sex offenders list in only 2.5 years is the least troubling but still very troubling part of the punishment. He's a, by all accounts, confirmed rapist of a completely helpless child. Rapist, bad, of the most helpless group of people, even worse... this is someone who shouldn't be off a sex offenders list.

Some random dude who while drunk on the way home at 3am pees in the street and it happens to be outside a school and ends up on the sex offenders list because this country is nuts... but a guy who actually raped a child gets off the list in 2.5 years?
 
drunkenmaster said:
He's on a list for 2.5 years, he's free now. Being on a list might mean people check up on your or people can check your name against it. It doesn't actually stop him going and raping another kid now.
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Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant by "completely free"

drunkenmaster said:
I think the fact he can get off the sex offenders list in only 2.5 years is the least troubling but still very troubling part of the punishment. He's a, by all accounts, confirmed rapist of a completely helpless child. Rapist, bad, of the most helpless group of people, even worse... this is someone who shouldn't be off a sex offenders list.
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Exactly... and yet somehow this is the same legal system which gives 14 year olds a criminal record (and potentially puts them on the same sex offenders list) for taking a naked picture of themselves to send to their boy/girlfriend :rolleyes:
 
16 is old enough to know that is wildly wrong. Amazed how they don't often have the balls to put young offenders behind bars.
 
I've deliberated over this and have been unable to come to a conclusion that allows me to believe that this person's release is the right choice. It may be the Dad in me talking and a lack of objectivity, but if this person has been able to defile a 5yo girl and try to keep it a secret then whether he deserves punishing or rehabilitating (dependent on whether he is of sound mind or not) he still needs to be removed from society until we are sure that re-offending is not a realistic proposition.

He has been convicted of rape. That's not really been questioned. Is he a danger to society? I can't see how you can say no to that, nor that the judge can be so sure of it.
 
Gilly said:
He has been convicted of rape. That's not really been questioned. Is he a danger to society? I can't see how you can say no to that, nor that the judge can be so sure of it.
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This is my view on it as well. Why he committed the act is irrelevant - unless it can be shown with certainty that he isn't going to do it again then he needs to be removed from society, not necessarily as punishment, but to protect any other potential victims.
 
Gilly said:
I've deliberated over this and have been unable to come to a conclusion that allows me to believe that this person's release is the right choice. It may be the Dad in me talking and a lack of objectivity, but if this person has been able to defile a 5yo girl and try to keep it a secret then whether he deserves punishing or rehabilitating (dependent on whether he is of sound mind or not) he still needs to be removed from society until we are sure that re-offending is not a realistic proposition.

He has been convicted of rape. That's not really been questioned. Is he a danger to society? I can't see how you can say no to that, nor that the judge can be so sure of it.
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I'm not a father and can't think of any reason whatsoever to be that lenient.

This is a bizarre case.
 
I can't believe they've been so lenient. There must be some sort of reasoning behind it. As for damage to the girl, I'm not convinced there will be a huge amount.

However, the number of people in here calling for murder is disgusting.
 
Haggisman said:
This is my view on it as well. Why he committed the act is irrelevant - unless it can be shown with certainty that he isn't going to do it again then he needs to be removed from society, not necessarily as punishment, but to protect any other potential victims.
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Surely "why he did it" is the most relevant reason for determining the risk of reoffending?
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I can't believe they've been so lenient. There must be some sort of reasoning behind it. As for damage to the girl, I'm not convinced there will be a huge amount.

However, the number of people in here calling for murder is disgusting.
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yes I totally agree, so many people calling for a return of the death penalty
"lets all do what the facebook memes say"
seriously...:rolleyes:
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Surely "why he did it" is the most relevant reason for determining the risk of reoffending?
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I agree, but until it can be demonstrated that the why is fully understood and mitigated he shouldn't be in normal society.

The decision to place him back into the community without this is the one that the why doesn't matter at all for.
 
Hard to draw conclusions without all the facts and the judges reasoning. I agree on the face of it it looks absurd it it is all about the different underlying variables that are never reported.
One thing in particular is a prison sentence at this age would completely ruin the rapistist scumbag, there would be no good outcome sending him to prison and sentencing becomes revenge, which is only a small part of prison sentencing, and entirely ineffective.
 
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