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1090t and R9 290

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I have a friend who wants to upgrade his GPU to an R9 290 for £100, he currently has a 6950 and a Phenom II 1090t.

I was just wondering how much of a benefit this would be for him?

Thanks
 
Had a 290x on the same chip for a good while, It's cpu dependant games that get the hit irrespective of what card you have.

BF4 with mantle performed the same on my 1090t as it does with a 4790k.
Planetside 2 was the exact opposite.
 
The cpu is already bottleneck my GTX 570. Even i use OC on my cpu.
OC: 3800-3900 with 2800 mhz nb clock.
I DON'T recommend it at all with 290.
 
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Depends on the game. Mantle was a big help and so too should dx12 be in future. As someone pointed out get it to 4ghz and turn up in game settings and it will be fine.
 
Lokken86 said:
Depends on the game. Mantle was a big help and so too should dx12 be in future. As someone pointed out get it to 4ghz and turn up in game settings and it will be fine.
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Yeah it is some help to turn it all the way up but the bottleneck won't go away with this cpu. I know because i use it every day and over few years now.
DX 12 will be help also. I tested my Fermi with WDDM 2.0 driver in 3dmark api overhead test in DX 12 mode , i had around 3.5 times faster result compare to DX 11. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9211957 This is my result with alpha DX 12 driver with GTX 570. Even in DX 12 api overhead test i got some bottleneck....
 
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1090t at 4.2 with a good cpu-nb oc or an fx8 at 4.8 in your average game will hold back a 7950 at 1080p a little, 7950 cf severely held back by either cpu's . Exceptions would be game engines that utilize multi threading.

Depends on the games he's going to play.
 
Davedree said:
1090t at 4.2 with a good cpu-nb oc or an fx8 at 4.8 in your average game will hold back a 7950 at 1080p a little, 7950 cf severely held back by either cpu's . Exceptions would be game engines that utilize multi threading.

Depends on the games he's going to play.
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4.2 on 1090T is kinda magic. Lot of them not capable to achieve it. If you want to, you have to spend lot of money on cooling and still bottleneck.

Anyway, Humbug is right. There is no point to use 290 with 1090T.
 
siriq111 said:
Anyway, Humbug is right. There is no point to use 290 with 1090T.
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That's actually not what he said at all. All he did was post some benchmarks, most of which showed perfectly playable FPS.

OP - I would tell your friend to go for it. 290s can be had for as little as £120 and I really don't think it's worth bothering upgrading the CPU for that.

The 1090t outperformed Bulldozer. Of course it's not going to be as good as a Skylake CPU but then not every one has Skylake CPU and board money.
 
siriq111 said:
4.2 on 1090T is kinda magic. Lot of them not capable to achieve it. If you want to, you have to spend lot of money on cooling and still bottleneck.

Anyway, Humbug is right. There is no point to use 290 with 1090T.
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I know that's what I'm saying either cpu will hold back a 7950 in certain game engines, so a 290 would be held back even more so than a 7950 on a 1090t.
 
siriq111 said:
4.2 on 1090T is kinda magic. Lot of them not capable to achieve it. If you want to, you have to spend lot of money on cooling and still bottleneck.

Anyway, Humbug is right. There is no point to use 290 with 1090T.
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Mine would do it but but not for 24/7 use, the FX-83## series is a lot faster clock for clock even in single threaded stuff.

Actually an FX63## would serve a lot better.
 
humbug said:
Mine would do it but but not for 24/7 use, the FX-83## series is a lot faster clock for clock even in single threaded stuff.

Actually an FX63## would serve a lot better.
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Actually it wouldn't. It's literally 50/50 with the 1090 winning some and the 6350 winning some and in each case it's really close. I was actually surprised at the results tbh.
 
The Pii has a higher IPC than Pilediver but Piledriver can run at higher clocks with good cooling.

From The single threaded cinebench scores, my PII @ 4.3 is about the same as a 8350 @ 4.81

single: 113
multi: 648

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I've had thee hex core PIIs.

A 1090T wouldn't go higher than 4ghz.
A 1045T, the same but it's limited by a locked, small multiplier.
My old faithful unlocked 960T runs at 4.2 stable as an everyday clock and 4.3 for benching.
 
pandem0nium said:
The Pii has a higher IPC than Pilediver but Piledriver can run at higher clocks with good cooling.

From The single threaded cinebench scores, my PII @ 4.3 is about the same as a 8350 @ 4.81

single: 113
multi: 648

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I've had thee hex core PIIs.

A 1090T wouldn't go higher than 4ghz.
A 1045T, the same but it's limited by a locked, small multiplier.
My old faithful unlocked 960T runs at 4.2 stable as an everyday clock and 4.3 for benching.
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I agree too, Phenom II with a cpu-nb overclock has a higher throughput than Piledriver clock for clock. I tested this in gaming and applications and the fx8320 needed + 4-500mhz to equal my 4.2 ghz x4 55be. The advantage is piledriver has more a modern cpu instruction set.

Here's an example of fx scaling in handbrake i tested.
Compare fx4 vs phenom II x4
Look at 32 bit vs 64 bit.



http://www.overclockers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=138547&d=1390950420

 
humbug said:
Mine would do it but but not for 24/7 use, the FX-83## series is a lot faster clock for clock even in single threaded stuff.

Actually an FX63## would serve a lot better.
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I looked at some lengthy benchmark results and the 1090t stock came out against the 6350 stock about level. The 1090 won in some, lost in others. But it was literally dead even.

In order for the 6350 to pull ahead it would need a good motherboard and really good cooling. And that' the only real down side to Vishera; the clocks you need to run it at to make it viable in any shape or form.

But that wasn't the question asked was it? the OP asked if a 290 would be OK with a 1090t and the answer is pretty much yes. Whilst it won't set the world alight it will still be enough to give you a decent gaming experience.

Oddly there is a chance I may be getting a 1055t quite soon. I have an old, yet fortress like motherboard, and I have ordered 8gb of ram. If it goes ahead and I do get the CPU I will be buying either a 290 or 780 to go with it and complete another gaming rig. I will be more than happy to perform any test and post the results (cooler is a Noctua NH12CP sort of low profile).
 
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