Another american mass shooting

Ideally, no child would learn any religious or political doctrine at all, that would be a step closer to freedom. That might at least be a start to freeing them from the mental handicap that is religion, and along with religion, any other ideology which is flawed, politics or religion, call it what you want, its all the same thing, crap in, crap out.

Learn about it, understand it, but learn it in relation to human thinking, psychology, critical thinking, history, and move on.
 
StriderX said:
Yes, should have at least attempted to be less of a joke on the world stage from the start of the 18th century til now.

The west is reaping the unsown oats regardless.
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That's no excuse for a supposedly civilized people to invade the country though is it? Did you at least watch
?? And now the west is making a climate of hatred and using constructed acts to put in new laws.
 
manoz said:
That's no excuse for a supposedly civilized people to invade the country though is it? Did you at least watch
?? And now the west is making a climate of hatred and using constructed acts to put in new laws.
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why would you trust her
 
Zuban said:
Ideally, no child would learn any religious or political doctrine at all, that would be a step closer to freedom. That might at least be a start to freeing them from the mental handicap that is religion, and along with religion, any other ideology which is flawed, politics or religion, call it what you want, its all the same thing, crap in, crap out.

Learn about it, understand it, but learn it in relation to human thinking, psychology, critical thinking, history, and move on.
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Religion gives a common bond between anyone that practices it, it's the strongest bond there is. Since when does critical thinking, learning history happen in the west? They absorb so much fiction from TV, movies, games that they believe anything in the media. How much time do you reckon people spend reading science, philosophy, history, other cultures etc compared to looking at nonsense in comparison? I know Americans don't, they are the most gullible of the lot. At least Brits are a bit cleverer.
 
Zuban said:
why would you trust her
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Because her story makes more sense then anything given as "evidence" by the government. Don't even have to trust her, trust your own eyes when you watch WTC7 fall down, or hear Larry say "pull it" or the thousands of engineers that know what they're talking about ,or Bushes and co face whenever anyone asks them about it, or any other whistleblower, or ehud barak on the bbc blaming Osama before there was even a link.
 
manoz said:
Religion gives a common bond between anyone that practices it, it's the strongest bond there is.
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I would say love is a stronger bond between people.

If your bond with a fellow human is you just so happen to believe in the same God and think the same book (over the numerous that claim to be his word) is true I wouldn't say it was that strong.

manoz said:
Since when does critical thinking, learning history happen in the west?
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It was called the 'Age of Enlightenment' and it started in 'The West' about 20 years ago. Still waiting on the same thing happening in the Middle-East.

manoz said:
They absorb so much fiction from TV, movies, games that they believe anything in the media.
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Eh? Yeah, what would be better would be one network, run by the state with staff under constant threat of death if they say the wrong thing. This 'free press' thing we have over here is so bad. :rolleyes:

manoz said:
How much time do you reckon people spend reading science, philosophy, history, other cultures etc compared to looking at nonsense in comparison?
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I'd bet far more in the west pound-for-pound that in Arab countries...and yes I am including the Qu'ran as nonsense (along with all other religious texts).

The sad thing it didn't used to be that way. At one time the Middle-East was the epicentre of science, maths and engineering...then religious rulers came in and all that went out of the window.
 
Mynight said:
Wait you think 9/11 was faked? And you're posting the video of someone who profits from continuing the forgery agenda.
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It's not really an agenda considering the evidence is it? Why would an event garner so much "forgery agenda" as you put it, anyway? What about the witness's that were there? What about the professionals who gave their verdicts. Suppose it doesn't matter cos people don't have power. There's "shootings" going on in America at the moment, people are worried it's going to take the 2nd Amendment out. In the past I used to think it was a joke of a right but now I know why they have it.
 
manoz said:
Religion gives a common bond between anyone that practices it, it's the strongest bond there is. Since when does critical thinking, learning history happen in the west? They absorb so much fiction from TV, movies, games that they believe anything in the media. How much time do you reckon people spend reading science, philosophy, history, other cultures etc compared to looking at nonsense in comparison? I know Americans don't, they are the most gullible of the lot. At least Brits are a bit cleverer.
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do you mean the strongest bond as in people within the same religion or people of different religions?
 
manoz said:
It's not really an agenda considering the evidence is it? Why would an event garner so much "forgery agenda" as you put it, anyway? What about the witness's that were there? What about the professionals who gave their verdicts. Suppose it doesn't matter cos people don't have power. There's "shootings" going on in America at the moment, people are worried it's going to take the 2nd Amendment out. In the past I used to think it was a joke of a right but now I know why they have it.
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It's an agenda when you are an anti war campaigner (I think they should be prosecuted for the Iraq wars)and you've published a book on how it was faked. If the book was free then I'd take the evidence more freely. People will prove just about anything to make a profit.

There's just as many professionals that confirm the governments stance on the attack.

It is a joke of a right that right has been responsible for thousands of deaths. I have yet to see any evidence that the second amendment rights have been used for what they were intended.
 
manoz said:
Because her story makes more sense then anything given as "evidence" by the government. Don't even have to trust her, trust your own eyes when you watch WTC7 fall down, or hear Larry say "pull it" or the thousands of engineers that know what they're talking about ,or Bushes and co face whenever anyone asks them about it, or any other whistleblower, or ehud barak on the bbc blaming Osama before there was even a link.
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if JFK, wasn't shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, it must have been a government conspiray right?.

Lets discount the infinite other possibility's immediately as we are all experts in everything.

I spent a lot of time looking into 9/11 It is full of interesting things, you could spend a lifetime looking for answers, but fact is they are not on the internet. The reasons and events leading up to all the choices made that day, are not on the internet, there is no single person alive who is an expert on every factor involved in what happened that day, who is alive, let alone posting the answers on the internet. The only thing you will find, is what you want to find.
 
estebanrey said:
I would say love is a stronger bond between people.

If your bond with a fellow human is you just so happen to believe in the same God and think the same book (over the numerous that claim to be his word) is true I wouldn't say it was that strong.



It was called the 'Age of Enlightenment' and it started in 'The West' about 20 years ago. Still waiting on the same thing happening in the Middle-East.



Eh? Yeah, what would be better would be one network, run by the state with staff under constant threat of death if they say the wrong thing. This 'free press' thing we have over here is so bad. :rolleyes:



I'd bet far more in the west pound-for-pound that in Arab countries...and yes I am including the Qu'ran as nonsense (along with all other religious texts).

The sad thing it didn't used to be that way. At one time the Middle-East was the epicentre of science, maths and engineering...then religious rulers came in and all that went out of the window.
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Yeah but how many people actually "love" each other though? There's more and more different social groups forming all the time. I call my fellow muslims brothers and sisters. You're judging the religion having not lived among it's people and the middle east has rather corrupt rulers tbh. This is usually down to wealth, not the religion.

Christianity got a lot more divided then Islam did, when that happens you start looking for other things and Christianity hates science more. Islam's empire out of Iraq came at an end as a result of a groups of people who were more interested in war then knowledge. What are you waiting for the middle east to do exactly? Stop beheading people? Well I'll agree with you on that one.

You think there's free press at the BBC? A lot of the media is controlled or bought off by Jews. You can do your own research on the matter if you wish.

You're wrong on that bet, go see for yourself. Don't think you can include the whole Quran as nonsense since a lot of todays science is confirmed in it. I know far more educated and clever women in Pakistan then I do in Britain.

It WAS the religious caliph rulers that ordered the knowledge, science and maths in the first place. It went to the west from there but since the west is more interested in imperialism, slavery(early america) things turned out differently. The only reason why Islam doesn't have vast empires like the west are the rules of Jihad.
 
Zuban said:
if JFK, wasn't shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, it must have been a government conspiray right?.

Lets discount the infinite other possibility's immediately as we are all experts in everything.

I spent a lot of time looking into 9/11 It is full of interesting things, you could spend a lifetime looking for answers, but fact is they are not on the internet. The reasons and events leading up to all the choices made that day, are not on the internet, there is no single person alive who is an expert on every factor involved in what happened that day, who is alive, let alone posting the answers on the internet. The only thing you will find, is what you want to find.
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JFK was a good president who didn't want the CIA to have so much power. The CIA has a long history of Black Flags. Who do you think provided training and weapons to taliban also? Wait so if people like Edward Snowden can't be trusted then who can? There's a guy who wrote 2 books on 9/11, he was going to write a third. He died in a murder/suicude with his kids and dog. The answers I found are from more professional and educated then me so how does that make it like I want to find it?
 
Zuban said:
do you mean the strongest bond as in people within the same religion or people of different religions?
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If your talking about different sects then it depends where you live. In Pakistan for instance, village where my parents are from, shias and sunnis coexist peacefully. If you're talking about different religions then the middle-east used to be a whole lot more secular before zionism and "israel".


also see http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
 
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manoz said:
Yeah but how many people actually "love" each other though? There's more and more different social groups forming all the time. I call my fellow muslims brothers and sisters. You're judging the religion having not lived among it's people and the middle east has rather corrupt rulers tbh. This is usually down to wealth, not the religion.

You're wrong on that bet, go see for yourself. Don't think you can include the whole Quran as nonsense since a lot of todays science is confirmed in it. I know far more educated and clever women in Pakistan then I do in Britain.

It WAS the religious caliph rulers that ordered the knowledge, science and maths in the first place. It went to the west from there but since the west is more interested in imperialism, slavery(early america) things turned out differently. The only reason why Islam doesn't have vast empires like the west are the rules of Jihad.
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I find it strange, I have to say, that old friends of mine, who share little of their life with one another, would call themselves brothers and hold each other closer in their lives than they would me, despite for at least one of them, I was a far larger and important part of their life than the other, I can accept this, the only feeling about it I have is why do I not form this part of their life, but reality is I don't, and they don't make an equivalent part of my life, it is both uncomplicated and simple at the same time. The events and circumstances, and most importantly the thoughts they held at the time dictated where I sat in the order of importance.

Move on 20 years, and we barely know each other, yet they still consider me a friend, and think they know me, they say things like, we should stay in touch more, and yet I don't hear from them, I am as guilty as the other, but the difference is I didn't pretend I would reply.

These people apparently "love each other" however that only includes a couple of people, its really whoever says it. these people aren't evil, they aren't on purposely excluding me, they would rather like to include me in their minds, but the problem I have, is this is not born or nurtured in anything other than a loose idea in their head, a moment, and idea, its here and its gone, its in the moment, and I having dragged myself through the ruin that is human understanding and thinking, have little time for these people, the smiling idiots, I love them, because they are me, but me has moved on.
 
manoz said:
JFK was a good president who didn't want the CIA to have so much power. The CIA has a long history of Black Flags. Who do you think provided training and weapons to taliban also? Wait so if people like Edward Snowden can't be trusted then who can? There's a guy who wrote 2 books on 9/11, he was going to write a third. He died in a murder/suicude with his kids and dog. The answers I found are from more professional and educated then me so how does that make it like I want to find it?
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IMO the inconsistencies, etc. over 9/11 are more due to face saving and burying evidence of incompetence than some big government conspiracy.
 
manoz said:
JFK was a good president who didn't want the CIA to have so much power. The CIA has a long history of Black Flags. Who do you think provided training and weapons to taliban also? Wait so if people like Edward Snowden can't be trusted then who can? There's a guy who wrote 2 books on 9/11, he was going to write a third. He died in a murder/suicude with his kids and dog. The answers I found are from more professional and educated then me so how does that make it like I want to find it?
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The usa are part of this, there is no doubt. My half brother has an interests in jfk so I buy dvds and pay extra attention to anything to do with it
 
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