North Wales Police deliberately mow down dog

TheVoice said:
Be reasonable, all alternatives would have been considered. If they had let it be it'd keep causing a hazard to road users (potentially ending in the same outcome for the animal anyway), and shutting down a road and trying to contain a dog until a "council dog warden" (at 3am? Not likely) or other suitably-trained and equipped person can attend simply isn't practical.

It's not something the officers would have wanted to do, by any means, but they'd also be the first ones held responsible if it ran into traffic and caused an incident.
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Yeah, if only they'd have had something to slow the traffic down and warn them of a potential hazard ahead like bright blue flashing lights and stuff....
 
Police Forces are the first to hang out their staff at the mere hint of wrongdoing, so given that this time the force are backing them, I'd say it was a reasonable action.

Non story.
 
doofer said:
Yeah, if only they'd have had something to slow the traffic down and warn them of a potential hazard ahead like bright blue flashing lights and stuff....
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Its one thing for a static incident and another for a highly mobile and confused animal.
 
thebennyboy said:
Should have been the final option, there nothing saying they did or didn't try anything else (besides a cop approaching it). This force covers a lot of rural roads where animals are common place, no doubt they'd have officers trained to deal with animals (cows, sheep, dogs etc.).
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At 3am you've got what you've got in rural Wales and not much else I suspect.

.Lethal said:
Things are never one thing or the other. What prevented the officers warning other motorists of the potential hazard? It wasn't rush hour traffic it was late at night so I don't see why other methods could have been attempted rather than brutally kill a dog.
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It was running about, do you warn them from one direction or the other, what if it runs off in the opposite direction.

Public safety is the police's number one concern here.
 
The stretch of road in question is covered with dot matrix signs so warning motorists shouldn't have been a problem, they could easily have placed a temporary speed limit until someone trained to deal with the situation properly arrived.
 
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Chances are there is much more to the story here but surely shutting the road at 3am wouldn't cause significant impact?

I assume it was a sole unit, maybe even 1 person that was at the incident.
 
thebennyboy said:
Should have been the final option, there nothing saying they did or didn't try anything else (besides a cop approaching it).
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What else do you suggest they try at 3am on a fast road? It's a small, quick animal, not something they can easily contain or justify shutting the road down for until more resources are magically summoned out of thin air.

Quite frankly, the alternative option would've been for an ARV to attend and shoot it, but doing so in an open area with people, traffic etc probably prevented that.

doofer said:
Yeah, if only they'd have had something to slow the traffic down and warn them of a potential hazard ahead like bright blue flashing lights and stuff....
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Flashing lights just mean "emergency", it doesn't mean "dog running around in road that you won't see because it's dark".

Warning people is one thing, but then what? Either you close the road for however long it takes for the animal to either run away or be somehow captured, or let traffic flow and just cross your fingers it doesn't cause a crash.
 
Totally reasonable.Better they hit it sufficiently hard to kill it than a motorist is killed or the dog is injured and left suffering.
 
thebennyboy said:
The stretch of road in question is covered with dot matrix signs so warning motorists shouldn't have been a problem, they could easily have placed a temporary speed limit until someone trained to deal with the situation properly arrived.
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You couldn't use those road side signs for a temporary speed limit and that's to say that the police had the ability to put messages up on them. Usually they're operated by the council.
 
thebennyboy said:
The stretch of road in question is covered with dot matrix signs so warning motorists shouldn't have been a problem, they could easily have placed a temporary speed limit until someone trained to deal with the situation properly arrived.
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They did deal with the situation properly...
 
Complete overreaction by the police here, dog would just have been scared.

Absolute no excuse for this course of action, no doubt a thugish **** of an officer. Karma will prevail.
 
Jokester said:
You couldn't use those road side signs for a temporary speed limit and that's to say that the police had the ability to put messages up on them. Usually they're operated by the council.
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The road is monitored by Traffic Wales 24/7 so no doubt they would have known. They have both the small overhead and the large dot matrix screens on the road, so yes they can place temporary speed limits and warn motorists.

The same force was responsible for this: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/police-taser-runaway-sheep-a55-2808062

They did have the power to do the job properly, but didn't: http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2012-12-20/roads-a55-conwy/

Serve and protect? More like swerve and protect.
 
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I drive that stretch very often at silly AM's in the morning going and coming from Anglesey fishing, it's NOT a speeding road as it's pretty notorious for speed traps it's also very, very quiet unless it's a Bank Holiday week-end or the Ferries have been in, the lighting and visibility is excellent...

http://www.traffic-wales.com/cctvde..._49_2A_8473&x=266752&y=373773&s=&format=xhtml

All they would have had to have done is drive along following the dog with their emergency beacons on until they got someone there that could deal with the dog properly or the dog got off the carriage way of it's own accord. They could even have tasered it rather than run it over.
 
thebennyboy said:
The road is monitored by Traffic Wales 24/7 so no doubt they would have known. They have both the small overhead and the large dot matrix screens on the road, so yes they can place temporary speed limits and warn motorists.
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Google street view shows this not to be the case. There are variable speed limit signs on going into the tunnel and road side electronic boards at the other end of the road, but nothing inbetween.

thebennyboy said:
The same force was responsible for this: http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/police-taser-runaway-sheep-a55-2808062
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Are all officers armed with tazers these days and is a sheep easier or harder to hit than a dog that's running about?

thebennyboy said:
They did have the power to do the job properly, but didn't: http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2012-12-20/roads-a55-conwy/
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Do you know what a rolling roadblock is and how easy it is to herd sheep?
 
Theory: Dog was distressed. Dog bit police officer. Officer gets mad. Officer runs dog over in retaliation. Officer used red tape to cover up actions.
 
Jokester said:
Google street view shows this not to be the case. There are variable speed limit signs on going into the tunnel and road side electronic boards at the other end of the road, but nothing inbetween.
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There are several temporary dot-matrix signs around due to ongoing work in the tunnels recently, so google will likely not be showing those.

Jokester said:
Are all officers armed with tazers these days and is a sheep easier or harder to hit than a dog that's running about?

Do you know what a rolling roadblock is and how easy it is to herd sheep?
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Contradictory statements, easy to herd but needs to be tazered?
 
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