North Wales Police deliberately mow down dog

It's only a dog! Not a child.

As someone who had to have his dog put down at the weekend,

I understand you've had an emotional event, but you cannot insult people.

Our dog had only been in the family for 4~5 years. He was a rescue, and in that time he was part of the family. He has left a 33kg hole in our household. My daughter every morning this week has gone downstairs and called for him, shouting his name and looking sad.

Just because you can't bond with anything but your right hand, don't assume that a dog doesn't mean anything to its owners.
 
As someone who had to have his dog put down at the weekend, <personal insult removed>

Our dog had only been in the family for 4~5 years. He was a rescue, and in that time he was part of the family. He has left a 33kg hole in our household. My daughter every morning this week has gone downstairs and called for him, shouting his name and looking sad.

Just because you can't bond with anything but your right hand, don't assume that a dog doesn't mean anything to its owners.

why is he a *insert personal insult of choice*? and where did he say he couldn't bond with animals? where di he assume dogs don't mean anything to their owners??

I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm an animal lover but I do respect animals and wouldn't ever want to see them suffer unnecessarily - hell it bothers me to stamp on spiders!

but yes he's right, it was a dog not a child so the uproar is a bit OTT seeing as there wasn't really much other option available at the time
 
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Welsh mountain zoo is only 15mins away, surely they would have tranq guns and staff trained to handle a variety of animals.

And almost certainly very strict legal and insurance limits on where and when they can use such things.

IIRC tranq guns are classed as firearms and you are only licensed to use them under certain conditions or on specific premises, and they will likely only have one or two trained staff (I think usually the vet) who are legally allowed to use them
Also, and this is important, to use a tranq gun safely you have to get the dosage right for the animal size and type - I suspect Zoo vets don't have a list of doses for dogs to hand.
And this all assumes that you can hit a dog that is wandering freely with the gun, in the zoos animals that are done using one are usually already confined either in a small enclosure or a cage.
So unless it was on Zoo property, or a Zoo animal it is quite possible that if they used the gun off the property they may have breached the conditions of their license and insurance.


If the dog was on a main road at 3 am in the morning then I can quite see that as much as I hate the idea, running the dog over might have been the only practical way to deal with it.

To close the road would require at least two police cars (one in both directions), which is risky in poor visibility.
To wait for a vet with a tranq gun (there aren't many in the country) could be hours, to wait for fire arms units could be hours (and have the same outcome - dead dog), dog handling units might take an hour+ and still not manage to get the dog alive.
 
as has only been mentioned once in this thread, this was a fox hound.... not quite the tame pet all dog owners here are familiar with.

they are difficult to control when not in the pack and without their pack leader.

i love dogs and think it is very sad that this dog died, but if two road users already had to swerve to avoid the dog and there was a genuine risk to other road users safety then what choice did they have?

would you swerve if a dog ran out into the road in front of your car? if so then more fool you...
 
To be honest I'm sure they did what they felt was best at the time. I'd rather the dangerous dog died than some animal loving human got their throat ripped out trying to help it.

RIP though.
 
Feel bad for the dog, but I can fully agree with the reasons given.

It's not like it was the middle of the day, with the dog contained in good visibility.

3am, middle of dark night in winter, busy road with traffic. As has been said, I reckon the trained dog handlers and all that were hours away when/if called. Firearms response would also be problematic in low light conditions and with a busy road.

I'd say it's the best of a bad situation, myself. Better that than someone swerving and crashing their car to avoid the dog.

(A question to those saying why didn't they use the gantries, how many people here truly slow down when they see "Slow Down, animals in road, 50" with a clear road")
 
Can we run over the copper if he walks in the road? you really need to ask that?

Anyway what makes us more important than a dog? I much prefer dogs than people.

you prefer dogs to people? can you maybe explain why, just for my own curiosity. dogs are ok, but personally I'd prefer human contact if given a choice. cause you know good family/friends can do a myriad of things with me that a dog can't

for one I don't fancy my chances of co-oping on Tom Clancys: The Division with a golden retriever to be honest.

I've usually found that people that come out with the statement 'I prefer (insert animal of choice) to people' have had some kind of poor experience with family/relationships and use 'loving' their animal as their emotional fall back.

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would you swerve if a dog ran out into the road in front of your car? if so then more fool you...

couldn't agree more. If I could safely stop then I would, but I am not putting me or any passengers in my car at risk to avoid an animal
 
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Why do people get almost retardedly stupid when it comes to the life of a dog over a potential car pile up?

Say a family car crashed into it and spun off into an articulated lorry and all 5 in the car die. Wait, say the 2 year old baby lives and has to grow up orphaned etc etc. That is much more heartbreaking.

Can you/some people not see the significance of a dog over the potential problems that could have happened?

Yes its a shame, possibly a bit sad, but its "just a dog" and yes i've had 4 cats and 3 dogs 4 grandparents even a father die on me so im pretty sure "just a dog" is the right thing to say. Get a grip people. Not to even mention the old school mate that died suddenly a month ago.
 
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Why do people get almost retardedly stupid when it comes to the life of a dog over a potential car pile up?

Say a family car crashed into it and spun off into an articulated lorry and all 5 in the car die. Wait, say the 2 year old baby lives and has to grow up orphaned etc etc. That is much more heartbreaking.

Can you/some people not see the significance of a dog over the potential problems that could have happened?

Yes its a shame, possibly a bit sad, but its "just a dog" and yes i've had 4 cats and 3 cats 4 grandparents even a father die on me so im pretty sure "just a dog" is the right thing to say. Get a grip people

the 'why is an animal less important than a human' folks are going to burn you for such heresy! :p




















+1 btw!
 
im not sure where i stand on this one. i understand why they did it.

Could they not have closed the road until it had been dealt with? Wouldn't have been to much of a issue at 3 am surely/
 
im not sure where i stand on this one. i understand why they did it.

Could they not have closed the road until it had been dealt with? Wouldn't have been to much of a issue at 3 am surely/

cue people moaning about being stuck in a traffic jam for an hour because of a dog

simple fact of the mater is if this was the continent the first attending officers would have shot it dead without a seconds thought and got the traffic moving safely
 
I notice the article mentions a foxhound. Now if I'm not mistaken then this isn't a domesticated dog, but a hunting dog.

I have to say if this is the case then it's potentially a lot more dangerous then we've been lead to believe.

Nonsense. As a breed they're no more dangerous than any other 'hunting' dog. Take spaniels, lurcher's, black labrador's, jack Russell's, beagles... the list goes on. All of which most consider as family pets without any qualms whatsoever.
To be more precise, a fox hound is a domesticated animal. They might not typically be found as 'the family pet', though their breed does not preclude this, but they're a lot less aggressive than some would have you believe. I'd be more concerned by the staffie being dragged about by the local chavs than a fox hound, alone or in a pack.

I'm sorry to say but only the uninformed would regard a fox hound as a dangerous animal; or any other dog that comes from a traditional lineage as a hunting breed. Most dogs have the innate instinct to form packs and hunt prey - it's one of the primary traits that humans domesticated them for.




As for the incident, I'd like to have seen it handled better. It wasn't. And that's that.
 
Judgement aside.
Does anyone actually believe they just managed to run the Dog over and kill it clean and simple? (As they're basically making out). It's not like the dog sat there and let them.

I certainly don't.
 
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