Nick Clegg backs campaign calling for medical use of Cannabis

Judgeneo said:
There was a report out this week which suggested that cannabis could bring in £1bn in taxes if regulated, as well as freeing up police time.

I'm all for it. It seems to be working in the American states that have done it.
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Just on the financial aspect it's a no brainer, bring in extra revenue, cut expenses with the current inneffective prohibition, reduce black market/organised crime income.

Even then when weighing it up on what social harm it would do, the negative effects would be negligible, especially when compared to the social illls of our favourite legalised drug, alcohol.
 
Who cares? Everyone smoked weed at university. Ok, maybe not me but I mean 9.99999%. If the weed-heads were ignored (and it became licensed) then the police will be able to put some of its resources into "beat bobbies" back onto the street - an area of policing that has been lacking in recent years.
 
You will find than many normal people in society regularly smoke weed and are not white young men with dreads and a bad BO problem.

The legalisation of weed for medicinal purposes is irrelevant to the average bud smoker, it wont be any cheaper or harder/easier to get a hold of. People who want to smoke it will smoke it, its legal status doesn't make a difference.

There is no argument for keeping weed illegal which does not incriminate the use of alcohol or tobacco in some way or another.
 
asim18 said:
It is not possible to tax cannabis in the same way they tax alcohol because cannabis doesn't have any trademarks.
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Great posts, glad to see an informed opinion for once.

Its about patents. Corporations cannot patent nature and therefore make it so only THEY can sell it. They would need to modify the original seed in some way so they can patent it. This is why big pharma has a vested interest in keeping it illegal, as effectively everybody could grow their own medication.
 
Diagro said:
But it smells like bad BO.... and when you mix it in with the BO smell of a Stoner you end up with a walking bio hazard
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Really? So all people that smoke weed have BO and stink of the stuff constantly... Riiiiiiiiight! :rolleyes:

Isn't it about time that in this "Modern" world we live in for decisions that are so divisive such as this is put to a vote by the public whom it directly involves? Surely this change of law is what a referendum is for? While I appreciate the government is apprehensive to the decriminalise it, whether it is used for medicinal or recreational use.

At the end of the day there will be people against the move but are level headed enough to understand that it will benefit the country in the long run. The police will not be overburdened by criminalising someone who has a small amount on them or enjoys in their own home, the barely sustainable NHS will have a huge influx of monies to provide people with actual health care along with giving the people of this country a moment of shining light in the dark, actually giving them the opportunity to change a legality rather than it being left to people who are disconnected from the real world.

Put it to a referendum, Show people evidence from both sides of the debate, show people in clear terms how its handled, distributed and supported in other countries and give the people of this country the chance to vote with an informed decision on the matter.
 
CosmicClown said:
Great posts, glad to see an informed opinion for once.

Its about patents. Corporations cannot patent nature and therefore make it so only THEY can sell it. They would need to modify the original seed in some way so they can patent it. This is why big pharma has a vested interest in keeping it illegal, as effectively everybody could grow their own medication.
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One word, tobacco.
 
asim18 said:
Because it's still a trademarked process going on to produce different brands of tobacco products. Like the addition of chemicals which keep the cigarette lit for example, among many other chemicals and processes, as well as the addition of cardboard pulp and other **** found in cigarettes.

There are only a few actual "types" of tobacco out there, the process of blending them/curing them/etc in different ways is what gives different cigarette brands their unique taste.

Again this differs from cannabis where you can simply grow a strain of high grade anything you want. You cant grow a pack of Benson and Hedges Silver at home. You cant just say "next month I'm gonna grow some Marlboro" :p.


Yes, tobacco is a plant you grow, but a pack of Benson and Hedges is not "just a plant".
Same way alcohol is just a simple chemical you can make at home, but you cant make a bottle of Jack Daniels at home.

Cannabis is still a pure drug you smoke straight off the plant with no blending/further processing/secret recipes. I don't want capitalist corporations creating processes to chemicalise and trademark it and polluting/exploiting the natural purity of cannabis.
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While you can't grow a pack of benson and hedges silver you can certainly go down to tescos and buy a pouch of Amber leaf for example for rollies, so if pure tobacco can be taxed in this form so can cannabis.
 
Didn't it mainly start because of the paper/timber industry, which then pretty much snowballed from their. This isn't just about its ability to tax similar to tobacco, its uses have been halted, research denied, etc etc, all because of some crazy hysteria and propaganda to save a few 'old money' family's wealth.

This probably goes a lot deeper, and probably a reason it is being trickled through as "medical" and not just being widely accepted. a lot of business stands to fall if mj is made completely legal, concrete production, clothing, the list is massive.
 
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Dave85 said:
Should continue to be illegal and clamped down further. Sick of the smell of this crap everywhere.
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If I lived in Scotland I would have to smoke it everyday just to dull the horror :p
 
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CosmicClown said:
Great posts, glad to see an informed opinion for once.

Its about patents. Corporations cannot patent nature and therefore make it so only THEY can sell it. They would need to modify the original seed in some way so they can patent it. This is why big pharma has a vested interest in keeping it illegal, as effectively everybody could grow their own medication.
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Err there are several patented drugs from canabis.

And on the whole "you cant patent genetics!!" You guys should see the Monsanto corporation
 
neoboy said:
Possibly a stupid question but for those medical cases, can't they just put cannabis (cannabinoids?) into pill form and make it into a prescription medication? Unless that's what the article is proposing and I was just too lazy to read it :p
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They can and have look into sativex , the problem is it's a crap medicine (not cannabis but sativex) because they fiddled about with it so much and many patients taking it report feeling sick.. the opposite of what cannabis usually achieves for these people as they take it for it's induction of hunger along with other benefits
 
Dave85 said:
Should continue to be illegal and clamped down further. Sick of the smell of this crap everywhere.
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And here we have the "I don't like it and am uneducated on the matter" brigade chiming in.

Please read up on stuff before making comments like this. It'll save you looking a bit dim in future, given that almost all medicinal marijuana is in tablet form and has no smell whatsoever.
 
Moses said:
I'm certainly all for decriminalisation. Then legalisation if sold from licensed shops etc... but I'd prefer the age to be 21 or even 25, rather than 18, until there's been enough research into the impact of its use on developing brains (a good chunk of the tax should be ring fenced for research and treatment).
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This for me too.

However it will depend on the development of a reliable brethylizer for canabis rather than urine tests for road/site safety reasons.
 
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