Benefit claiming Mother of 8 cant pay the rent?
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That's not a lifestyle choice encouraged by the system.
Precisely! You can't help unfortunate changes in situation, that's what the welfare system is rightfully for. What's it's not for is people to put themselves in that situation through choice.
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Fair point
I'm still waiting for your sensible solution to stop it happening....
Better to hold my hands up and admit I don't have a solution, than look like an idiot by suggesting one which is so full of holes it makes a sponge look solid
8 kids in care will cost far more than £20,000 a year, not to mention even poorer outcomes for the kids than they have now.
Too true. You only had to look at that program last night about point view properties raking in 4.5 million in Housing benefit in London by turning a family home in to six studio flats. Massively overcrowded with dodgy and dangerous electrical supplies. Instead of clawing the money back from companies like this, what does George Osborne prefer to do: doctor Pip and deny a half paralyzed woman and many others their motorbility car (despite being terminally ill). These property companies are also being paid a two grand incentive per person they house by the councils. Sickening.
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what kind of future do these kids have ?
Discuss
Probably one of leeching just like their mother, in and out of jail etc, basically just JDAM the house with them all in it.
These are the kinds of people that are the problem with this country, they contribute nothing but take everything they can for free.
Exactly, I think a 3 child policy is reasonable.
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Exactly, and people like plasmahal seem to want to perpetuate that instead of breaking the cycle.
Unfortunately investing in helping these people is frowned upon by the public because it's constantly drummed into us that they're the "bad guys", despite the fact that helping them is probably the best way to make sure that further generations don't end up falling into the same way of life.
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At the end of the day there needs to be a certain highly negative outcome on the parents should they have overly large families.
Modern workhouses may make those tempted to play the system to the extreme think again.
No reason there could not be a school etc attached.
I would also like to see the return of debtors prison, again modernised of course.
As much as I hold sympathy for the kids, there aren't exactly likely to grow up with the best ethics and drive having that parent as an example.
Modern workhouses may make those tempted to play the system to the extreme think again.
No reason there could not be a school etc attached.
I would also like to see the return of debtors prison, again modernised of course.
As much as I hold sympathy for the kids, there aren't exactly likely to grow up with the best ethics and drive having that parent as an example.
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Workhouses?
Yes, penalise the children for choices they haven't made. Great solution.
Yes, penalise the children for choices they haven't made. Great solution.
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To all those saying dont punish the kids, and as much as i agree no child should suffer because of the failings of their parent.
But....
If they grow up beleiving that you dont have to work and you still get presents and all the nice things, then you've just raised 8 benefit scroungers for future generations.
I know of it happening to one family i know, the son grew up to be a decent hard working chap but the daughter grew up to be an attention seeking layabout who just claims off the system because she was never taught or shown any other way to do it.
If we teach these kids that this lifestyle is innappropriate without sacrificing their ability to succeed then maybe a little suffering would be good for them compared to beleiving mummy will fix everything for them.
But....
If they grow up beleiving that you dont have to work and you still get presents and all the nice things, then you've just raised 8 benefit scroungers for future generations.
I know of it happening to one family i know, the son grew up to be a decent hard working chap but the daughter grew up to be an attention seeking layabout who just claims off the system because she was never taught or shown any other way to do it.
If we teach these kids that this lifestyle is innappropriate without sacrificing their ability to succeed then maybe a little suffering would be good for them compared to beleiving mummy will fix everything for them.
You've had my solution. Unfortunately you didn't like it.
She's a woman of loose morals and looser thighs. I wonder if any of the fathers pay child support?
Given the sometimes spontaneity of sexual encounters, do you think people will, pause and say, Oh, hang on, lets not have sex"
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Its not penalising them though, its teaching them the value of money, that working is better than sponging.
If we sent up modern, decent equivalents to the workhouse they are far more likely to have a better start in life than with no guidance from that mother.
Workhouses would remove the barrier most of the people living on benefits rely on, that they cannot afford to go for proper training to learn decent skills.
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Quite possibly not, but once they have 4 kids if thats the max the state would allow to be supported they may actually manage to get enough brain cells to line up in order to change their behaviour?
Just maybe.
Wouldn't it just be better to spend the money of better social and sexual education, your solution is the epitome of after the horse and bolted.