Why do we hate cycling in this country?

linktoinsanity said:
Eh? You think we're bad?

Ever been to Italy?
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Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Belgium, holland, Andorra, Switzerland, Romania, Austria, Serbia etc etc... Yea, I've been to a few places. Driving in town can be "interesting" in many of those places, but we are consistently bad in both towns and the countryside.

I think part of the problem is that we are so crowded, all our roads are busy, whereas in most countries you can go to a village or small town and see just a few cars driving around (if any). In the Uk that same sized location would be teeming with traffic, all trying to drive the 2 miles from their house to the shops.

I'm not suggesting that the UK has the most aggressive drivers anyway, rather on average we are extremely aggressive, more so that most of the countries I've visited (both in Europe and worldwide). I much prefer driving in Europe, North America and other countries than the uk as it is so much easier less stressful to drive.
 
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The big cites have no excuse not to put proper cycle lanes in, they give plenty of space for the buses and give the push bikes a scabby white line that no body takes any notice off.

They also need to restrict cars even more in places like the Lake District so more people can get about in safety instead getting barged out of the way by the southerners who drive up in their big fancy cars thinking they own the roads:mad:
 
SDK^ said:
Since when was keeping up with road traffic a requirement to use the roads?
Your car wouldn't keep up with my car .. that doesnt mean you shouldn't use the roads :)
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Bingo. You are absolutely right.

Now say you use your vehicle's special ability to get in front of me, and then start driving at 20mph, isn't that being a ........? insert whatever expletive.

Same thing applies with a bike using it's special ability to squeeze passed a queue and then doing 5/10/15 mph.


Even though you're within your rights to overtake someone and/or filter through doesn't mean you're not being a ........ if you know full well that you're going to be doing 5 or 20mph as well as being fully aware of the fact that the 15 cars that just about got passed you without running you out of the road are now going to have to wait to overtake you again.


Tuppy_Glossop said:
Driving at 5mph is not hazardous... it's safer.
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Ahaha try driving down a busy road at 5mph and see how long it takes for you create hazardous situations if not cause an actual accident. That statement is truly out of touch with reality. By driving at 5mph you HAVE to be perceived as a hazard to every other road user unless they're already dead lmao. Every road user that encounters you will have only one thing on their mind "HAZARD" even pedestrians.

And you think it's not a hazard, what is this I don't even?... Also "safer" is not the opposite of "hazardous" so maybe you're confused.

Also it's not even a rebut to the observable fact that cars sometimes have to overtake the same cyclists multiple times, I don't have a clue what it has to do with the point.
 
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I wrote a dissertation on cycling as part of my Masters in planning. As to the thread title, I believe there is generally a great deal of apathy toward cycling as a legitimate means of transport at both the national and local political scale. It is only in a relatively few areas like Bristol, Cambridge and London that cycling is becoming ingrained. Even then it is backed up with tiny amounts of funding compared to other means of transport.

I cycle everywhere I can. It takes me the same amount of time to cycle to work as it does to drive, costs almost nothing and gives me a small amount of exercise. Cycling is an unselfish thing to do and is for the greater good.
 
Dis86 said:
Asim, what the heck is a rebut?
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What the heck is a dictionary?

You've had multiple comprehension issues in this thread alone and now you cant comprehend a dictionary definition?

The word rebut is a verb. It's when someone claims or proves a certain accusation to be false.

The phrase "Driving at 5mph is not hazardous... it's safer." is not a rebut to my claim that cars sometimes have to overtake the same cyclists multiple times.
 
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Tuppy_Glossop said:
Are accidents more likely and/or more dangerous (if they do occur) at 5mph than at 30mph ?
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You are twisting reality.

Crashing at 5mph is obviously less obliterating than crashing at 30mph.

But driving 5mph in a 30 zone, realistically, you are going to be perceived a hazard as well as potentially causing an accident every time someone needs to get passed you.
 
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Maybe if the general car/van/truck/whatever driver followed the 'silly' road codes, accidents would be much lower.

Unfortunately people like taking their liberties.
 
Dis86 said:
That's because your English is crap.
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I'm sorry you think the word "rebut" is crap. And I'm sorry my English being crap is the reason you cant comprehend a dictionary definition.


If you can't comprehend my words nor are able to use a dictionary for that matter, you might be more blissful if you just didn't bother?
 
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asim18 said:
I'm sorry you think the word "rebute" is crap. And I'm sorry "my English" being crap is the reason you cant comprehend a dictionary definition.


If you can't comprehend my words nor are able to use a dictionary for that matter, you might be more blissful if you just didn't bother?
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You didn't say rebute though, did you?
 
Dis86 said:
You didn't say rebute though, did you?
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Thank you for noticing that, I used rebut. Edited above. Doesn't detract from the point though. But thanks for making it obvious that you're clutching now.

Do you think I should have used the word "rebute"? Because its not actually a word, it was a typo "E" at the end.
 
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Tuppy_Glossop said:
I gave my rebuttal in #156.
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Ha! :D

And no Asim, I'm not clutching at straws. I'm just having fun at your expense because you think you're fantastically clever, deep and insightful - you're not. As many other posters in this thread have pointed out you're coming across as incredibly self focused and arrogant.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
nope wrong again because they take bus, train whatever to go to A and B in most cases because shock horror, you cant park anywhere in london without a resident permit or £10 an hour..
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That's very strange as i see more cars than anything else, Though i can imagine it's gone down since the congestion charged was introduced.
 
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asim18 said:
I don't think you two know what a rebuttal is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebuttal

We're not in a court room.
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Dude, use your incredible intelligence to read the link at the top of your own link...

"rebuttal
When two people debate, one of them makes an argument, and the other follows with a rebuttal, which, plainly put, is the "no, you're wrong and this is why" argument.
We often associate rebuttals with arguments made in the courtroom or public debates that occur around election time, but the word can really apply to any situation in which an argument is put forth and someone disagrees, and explains why. Sports fans, for instance, like to argue about the likely winner of an upcoming game and when you make a case for why your friend is wrong, you are offering a rebuttal of his argument."
 
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