970 still holding their price

tavtavtav · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:02

The equivalent of a 980ti isn't a next gen 980ti sized card - it's a 980ti.

Nvidia releasing the 1st pascal flagship with a 980 performance would be truly ridiculous, how could they possibly price it? Sell it at £400? There would be almost no reason for someone to get a 980 clone at 980 prices when actual 980's have been available for ages. Sell at £300 would give no good reason for anyone with a 970 to upgrade and people with 980tis could only downgrade and 390s that offer very similar performance would have been available, and cheaper for ages. Then you have to consider the existing cards dropping in price because of this.

This would only work if they were opening with just low end parts.

Edit: I'm thinking If Nvidia bring out something around the 980ti performance for about £400, retailers would almost be forced to price drop 980tis if they want them to sell, as overwhelming majority of people in their right minds would not pick up a 980ti at £500 in this case.

NexusK · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:04

Maybe not 980ti speed but it's going to have to be faster than a 980 as it's barely faster than a 970 anyway. The card new card at the £300 spot is going to have to be fast enough to make the 970 owners want to buy it otherwise it's pointless.

Jono8 · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:07

elrasho said:
The first Pascals will have the performance of possibly a standard 980

No they wont. That will be an utterly pointless release from Nvidia. :confused:

"Here is a card that performs the same as a card that has been out for a year and 8 months and is barely any less expensive...enjoy!"

Jono8 · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:08

~>Dg<~ said:
you wont get 980ti performance for 300

Why not?!!!

ARGH, this place is mental!

Dirk Diggler · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:10

Maxwell didn't just bring speed upgrades, it was more power efficient and gives off less heat. Pascal may improve on that further, and even provide something new like massively improved memory bandwidth or something else unique altogether.

Jono8 · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:14

tavtavtav said:
The equivalent of a 980ti isn't a next gen 980ti sized card - it's a 980ti.

Nvidia releasing the 1st pascal flagship with a 980 performance would be truly ridiculous, how could they possibly price it? Sell it at £400? There would be almost no reason for someone to get a 980 clone at 980 prices when actual 980's have been available for ages. Sell at £300 would give no good reason for anyone with a 970 to upgrade and people with 980tis could only downgrade and 390s that offer very similar performance would have been available, and cheaper for ages. Then you have to consider the existing cards dropping in price because of this.

This would only work if they were opening with just low end parts.

Edit: I'm thinking If Nvidia bring out something around the 980ti performance for about £400, retailers would almost be forced to price drop 980tis if they want them to sell, as overwhelming majority of people in their right minds would not pick up a 980ti at £500 in this case.

This place is always maddening when a new GPU is due. So many people seem to struggle with the concept that the old stuff will be slower than the new stuff and therefore sold off cheap as chips. It has happened every generation for as long as i can remember and yet this place is full of people saying "oooh no you wont get a 980Ti or 980 Ti performance for £300".

We better sodding hope we get 980Ti performance for ~£300 or this next generation (a die shrink as well!) will be dreadful!

r7slayer · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:20

elrasho said:
No you don't get it. The equivalent of 980ti wont come out until 2017. The first Pascals will have the performance of possibly a standard 980

you don't get it then, Jono8 was refering to the new cards which are due out may have the performance around the 980Ti area and could meanOP could get that sort of performance at around £300 just like what happened to the 780Ti

It's worth waiting a little while longer rather than dishing that cash out on a 970 to find few months later you could have spent the same or ever so slightly more to get a better performing card.

FoxEye · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:41

tavtavtav said:
The equivalent of a 980ti isn't a next gen 980ti sized card - it's a 980ti.

Nvidia releasing the 1st pascal flagship with a 980 performance would be truly ridiculous, how could they possibly price it? Sell it at £400? There would be almost no reason for someone to get a 980 clone at 980 prices when actual 980's have been available for ages. Sell at £300 would give no good reason for anyone with a 970 to upgrade and people with 980tis could only downgrade and 390s that offer very similar performance would have been available, and cheaper for ages. Then you have to consider the existing cards dropping in price because of this.

You could sell a 980 non-ti perf card for £300, quite easily I'd imagine. That's a 60% improvement on 960/280X performance, albeit more expensive than those cards.

I do believe that both nV and AMD want to push people to part with more cash; push them up the price range.

And whilst a 970 owner might not buy a £300 980 equiv, they might well buy a £400 980ti+a bit card. Again, pushing them up the price range (because realistically there's no other choice. Maxwell perf will drop off a cliff after Pascal is released!)

FoxEye · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:44

Jono8 said:
Why not?!!!

ARGH, this place is mental!

If your predictions of 980ti+ perf for £300 or less don't come true, I do hope you'll be less vocal/insistent next time around.

You're pretty much spamming at this point. Everyone who has a different prediction has to deal with 5-6 follow up posts from you calling them mental

Jono8 · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:50

FoxEye said:
If your predictions of 980ti+ perf for £300 or less don't come true, I do hope you'll be less vocal/insistent next time around.

You're pretty much spamming at this point. Everyone who has a different prediction has to deal with 5-6 follow up posts from you calling them mental

I am not spamming at all :confused:

I am just responding to the people thinking I am mental

Also i am trying to help the OP, as i think people telling him that prices won't change much in a few months time are wrong....which is more than you are doing in this thread

. If anything you are the one spam posting with that post of yours above!

I am genuinely trying to get my head around why people think this generation and the subsequent selling off of older slower stuff is going to be suddenly different from all the previous generations before it.

queamin · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:50

Look at the 260 dropped in price and the 280 it dropped 150 when Amd brought out they new 4*** series cards

Dave2150 · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:52

Simon Belmont said:
Like above don't buy any cards atm. All are going EOL.

Dave2150 · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:53

elrasho said:
No you don't get it. The equivalent of 980ti wont come out until 2017. The first Pascals will have the performance of possibly a standard 980

You are wrong. No-one would buy Pascal if it had 980 performance, unless it was £150 or so.

The most expensive Pascal card, on initial release, will be above 980ti performance with 8GB VRAM, it will have async compute and cost around £400 IMO.

FoxEye · 19 Mar 2016 at 15:11

Dave2150 said:
You are wrong. No-one would buy Pascal if it had 980 performance, unless it was £150 or so.

The most expensive Pascal card, on initial release, will be above 980ti performance with 8GB VRAM, it will have async compute and cost around £400 IMO.

980 perf is 60% more perf than you can get from current £200 cards. It currently costs £400 for that level of perf.

And people /did/ buy 980s, so saying that you could only charge £150 for that perf is bonkers!

In fact, just take me as an example. I currently have a 280X. The 980 for me is 60% more powerful. I am /expecting/ to pay £300 for Pascal/Polaris and get that level of perf. I have the money waiting

60% more perf is not to be sneezed at! And they aren't going to give anything away for free!

You people expecting 980ti+ perf at £300 are probably going to be very upset.

Jono8 · 19 Mar 2016 at 15:14

FoxEye said:
980 perf is 60% more perf than you can get from current £200 cards. It currently costs £400 for that level of perf.

And people /did/ buy 980s, so saying that you could only charge £150 for that perf is bonkers!

They did....a year and a half a go!

No one is going to buy a pascal card that has 980 performance and is only slightly less expensive ( say £300-£350). The main reason being that almost anyone interested in gaming on PC is going to have a 290/390 or 970 or above by now anyway.

syks · 19 Mar 2016 at 15:16

FoxEye said:
980 perf is 60% more perf than you can get from current £200 cards. It currently costs £400 for that level of perf.

And people /did/ buy 980s, so saying that you could only charge £150 for that perf is bonkers!

In fact, just take me as an example. I currently have a 280X. The 980 for me is 60% more powerful. I am /expecting/ to pay £300 for Pascal/Polaris and get that level of perf. I have the money waiting 60% more perf is not to be sneezed at! And they aren't going to give anything away for free!

You people expecting 980ti+ perf at £300 are probably going to be very upset.

I agree lol I'm pritty new to pc gaming but have been reading around and if you go by the average performance increase and cost of card from a new range of cards its not that much of an increase for much less money,i don't know why people think this time its going to be high range card specs/performance for mid range card prices? its never been like that before so why now?

FoxEye · 19 Mar 2016 at 15:16

Jono8 said:
They did....a year and a half a go!

The price for the 970, 980 and 980ti has not fallen since release. Why do you think this is?

It's because they're selling - even today - at those prices. If nobody had bought a 980/ti since release, the prices would have come down.

For previous new gens (and I've been around for a few), the prices of the top end cards have already dropped by a significant amount. The mid-range cards of the new gen tend to be competitive with the price - at that time - of the previous gen's high-end. Because those old high-end cards lost a lot of value from their release to the release of the next gen.

This gen is hasn't been like that, at all! The prices have stayed near enough at release prices.

You can't suddenly expect a card like the £400 980 to be replaced by a £150 card with the same perf! That's ludicrous!

Jono8 · 19 Mar 2016 at 15:19

FoxEye said:
980 perf is 60% more perf than you can get from current £200 cards. It currently costs £400 for that level of perf.

And people /did/ buy 980s, so saying that you could only charge £150 for that perf is bonkers!

In fact, just take me as an example. I currently have a 280X. The 980 for me is 60% more powerful. I am /expecting/ to pay £300 for Pascal/Polaris and get that level of perf. I have the money waiting 60% more perf is not to be sneezed at! And they aren't going to give anything away for free!

You people expecting 980ti+ perf at £300 are probably going to be very upset.

?

You do realise that loads of 980's were in sales at around or close to ~£350 well before Christmas don't you?

Should have got one then

Can you explain why you think the 980Ti's wont drop to £300 when the 780Ti's did just that last generation and without a die shrink?

I am genuinely interested as to why you think this new generation is going to be so awful.

Jono8 · 19 Mar 2016 at 15:25

FoxEye said:
For previous new gens (and I've been around for a few), the prices of the top end cards have already dropped by a significant amount.

Shortly ( a few months) before Maxwell release, the 780Ti was still ~£500

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18619751&highlight=780ti

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18604750&highlight=780ti

980Ti's have been £450 in sales before now as well.

In conclusion, stop making things up

FoxEye · 19 Mar 2016 at 15:30

Jono8 said:
?

You do realise that loads of 980's were in sales at around or close to ~£350 well before Christmas don't you? Should have got one then

Can you explain why you think the 980Ti's wont drop to £300 when the 780Ti's did just that last generation and without a die shrink?

I am genuinely interested as to why you think this new generation is going to be so awful.

1. Ever more difficult and costly node transitions
2. High end cards not due till next year, maybe even 2H 2017.
3. Current gen cards still holding release pricing
4. Market has changed. People paid Titan prices and it's stuck.
5. AMD's slashing of R&D budget (lack of competition)
6. AMD's new "premium" image (don't want to undercut prices to be the budget guys now)
7. Big push/fanfare about "efficiency", little talk about more perf

And more...!