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ISIS blew up that Russian Airplane that took of from Egypt only last year. So yes the Russians have been attacked. The New IRA car bombed a tired prison literally last week and the Kurds fighting for freedom also bombed Turkey very recently. Point is, there is a lot more terrorism than just radical Muslims.
 
dowie said:
You can say that about lots of ideologies. Not all conservatives support cuts to disability payments for example. But you won't get people being overly sensitive when conservatives in general are criticised.

On the other hand if a 'god' is involved in the ideology/beliefs then the potential for butt hurt is immense.
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Well that's just it, people take their 'god' ridiculously and unreasonably seriously!
 
Chris Wilson said:
Would the governments and the public stomach ethnic profiling at airports, stations etcetera? If you asked someone from outer space how one might help minimise the chances of another similar attack occurring they may find such a thing a rational approach.

No doubt it is already happening, unofficially security people will obviously concentrate more on the activities of Arabic looking people than a blonde haired woman with alabaster skin. Should or could this approach be formalised?
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Because there's no such thing as a white Muslim? :rolleyes:

If we start doing things like this and separating society or start treating people differently purely down to the colour of their skin it'll just give the terrorists even more reason to hate us and it wouldn't be a society I'd want to live in.
 
VincentHanna said:
People seem to have short memories.

Remember we had 20 years of the IRA bombing us?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security-bombings-idUKTRE74F31Q20110516
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and you have to wonder why we are more scared now.

The media have us by the balls.

This reporting of terror in beaten into us night and day. In the USA it is an even worse situation with the fear that is being hammered into the public.

As long as we are scared we will go along with anything, any war, any embargo, any foreign policy. Nothing brings in money more than war.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Would the governments and the public stomach ethnic profiling at airports, stations etcetera? If you asked someone from outer space how one might help minimise the chances of another similar attack occurring they may find such a thing a rational approach.

No doubt it is already happening, unofficially security people will obviously concentrate more on the activities of Arabic looking people than a blonde haired woman with alabaster skin. Should or could this approach be formalised?
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Putting aside 'political correctness' you still ought to include an element of randomness in the searches else you introduce an obvious flaw. Everyone ought to potentially be selected for a more thorough search however introducing some bias so that some people, based on age, gender, ethicity, religion etc.. have a higher chance of being searched would be sensible. That is if we were to ignore the fact there would obviously be opposition to such an approach.
 
HEADRAT said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Bangkok_bombings
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Bangkok isn't a Muslim area and that bombing is not related to Islamic extremists

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"senior junta leadership agreed that Muslim terrorists were not involved"

I can't see the connection between what I said and that link


That's like saying you are going on Holiday to Birmingham and somebody else bringing up the London 7/7 Bombings.
 
Cyanide said:
Because there's no such thing as a white Muslim? :rolleyes:

If we start doing things like this and separating society or start treating people differently purely down to the colour of their skin it'll just give the terrorists even more reason to hate us and it wouldn't be a society I'd want to live in.
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If they are a terrorist does it matter how much they hate you? If they are willing to blow themselves up to kill you I think they are beyond being mad at racial profiling.
 
Above&Beyond said:
If they are a terrorist does it matter how much they hate you? If they are willing to blow themselves up to kill you I think they are beyond being mad at racial profiling.
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But rather than a small group of people you'd entire up with an entire ethnic group ****** off that you're discriminating against them making it far easier for the terrorists to recruit.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Would the governments and the public stomach ethnic profiling at airports, stations etcetera? If you asked someone from outer space how one might help minimise the chances of another similar attack occurring they may find such a thing a rational approach.

No doubt it is already happening, unofficially security people will obviously concentrate more on the activities of Arabic looking people than a blonde haired woman with alabaster skin. Should or could this approach be formalised?
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It is rational. The authorities won't be taking as keen an interest in your average 90 year old granny as they will Mohammed Abdullah who has just come back from 3 months in Pakistan.
 
Weird, AP are reporting more deaths near a police station or something....

11:30 a.m.

Brussels police spokesman Christian De Coninck says there were deaths at the Maelbeek police station near European Union headquarters.

He says: "There are victims, serious injury, people have died. I have no idea yet on the numbers of injured or dead."
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Cyanide said:
But rather than a small group of people you'd entire up with an entire ethnic group ****** off that you're discriminating against them making it far easier for the terrorists to recruit.
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But under your way of treat everyone as the same the security services will have to invest time and resources in areas that will reap no reward. Much better to concentrate your resources on known troubled areas and communities and examine firebrand preachers and followers rather than casting the net too wide.

The security services list of potential jihadists will probably be predominantly those with links to the middle east or Pakistan and who follow certain Islamic teachings or preachers. They aren't really looking for Mr and Mrs Bloggs from Suburbia so no point investing time looking into them.
 
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Tone1979 said:
we didn't turn most of northern ireland into glass to give them a reason to leave the country....
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We didn't turn most of Iraq and Syria into glass either. And terrorists don't leave the country because they need to; they leave it because they want to attack other nations.
 
Meanwhile, a dump of Hilary Clinton emails on Wikileaks confirms that Google was actively supporting the Arab Spring uprisings in Syria which gave massive impetus to ISIS. If you join the dots, you are criss-crossing the globe with potential causation factors. If only we had someone who was watching this kind of thing unfold at the time - would it have made a difference? Shouldn't we also be profiling such activities that are being instigated by major western powers and corporations, in addition to the types of people who may be a threat?
 
Evangelion said:
Well... yeah. But the scale of the attacks was pretty small, and most of it occurred in Northern Ireland.

We didn't see the IRA invading other countries and sweeping their armies aside, like ISIS has done in Syria and Iraq.
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Small compared to? 212 people were injured in the 1996 Manchester bombing....mainly by glass and debris to be fair.

If we're just comparing against other UK attacks, then really it's only the 7/7 London bombing nearly 10 years ago that is attributed to Islamic extremists.

The IRA killed and wounded far more people, you only need to read the link I posted to confirm that.

If you are comparing it to 9/11, then of course the scale of the attacks are small, but then so are most of the recent atrocities in Europe.
 
Evangelion said:
Well... yeah. But the scale of the attacks was pretty small, and most of it occurred in Northern Ireland.
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Given the time and tech involved, a mortar bomb attack on Downing Street could hardly be called ' pretty small' in scale.

The IRA, had a definable cause to fight/negotiate for - ISIS just seem to want chaos.

Another reason for the ' small scale ' of the IRA attacks, were that they quite often warned the authorities prior to bombs being detonated to minimise civilian casulties ( though this was not always successfull ), something ISIS have no interest in.

The only similarity is that both groups hid/hide in plain sight, using fear of reprisal against the community they live in

TLDR:

IRA - fighting for a definable cause
ISIS - pure carnage agenda
 
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