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Nemeses said:
Pity you missed the main problem here this is not about Islam, its about idiots hiding behind and using Islam as a reason, that's not the same.

If they did not have Islam to use they would find something else this is just about a murderous bunch of people who want things there way, and they will use any reason to try and justify what they doing.
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That's what I mean about putting it into a box

It just happens that that religion is in that geography
But we don't really have any ability to filter much further down from that
It's roots within that area + religion where the problems reside

It's very sad that Islam is the defacto box for it
 
Above&Beyond said:
No they wouldn't. Islamic State, the caliphate, pledging allegiance to the caliph, devoutly religious to the point of sacrificing your own life and killing others can't be dismissed as simply 'oh well if they were socialists or anarchists they'd be blowing themselves up too'.
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Really that's what you got from what I said?
Anyway not gonna go down this route anymore said my piece on that, would rather use the time to wish the best to friends and family of the victims.
 
Hambut_Bulge said:
Really? A vaguely worded phone call 20 mins before the bomb goes off!? No, the IRA planted bombs for the same reason as every other murderous psychopath terrorist does; to kill and maim people. To think anything else is being terribly naive.
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Obviously a highly emotive subject and make no mistake a terrorist scumbag who targets civilians (or anyone really!) is a scumbag not matter their colour, religion or creed.
I think the original point though was we've lived with terrorism in the UK for years why be more worried now? To which it was pointed out ISIS aren't like anything we've dealt with before. They aren't the same. To think so is itself dangerous and over simplification.
The agenda of the IRA wasn't for mountains of dead (I daresay some of them wouldn't have minded), scant consolation as that would be for families of anyone who died or were hurt by them. Violence was their means of attaining their goals, for ISIS violence and death appears to be the goal.
Had the IRA wanted to they could have caused far more damage and death with the bombs on the mainland than were caused. As I said before this would be massively detrimental to their 'cause'. If no warnings were sent with those truck bombs in docklands or Manchester the number of dead would have been far worse. ISIS won't warn when they attack!

The Real IRA who detonated the Omagh bomb destroyed themselves that day. Literally the only good thing to come of it. Their support evaporated. The ira attacks on the mainland were mostly targeted assassinations or designed to cause as much disruption (and cost money) as possible.

To put it simply if I found out ISIS cells in this country had access to bombs of the size the ira had I'd probably not go outside that day.
 
413x said:
I'm talking about on TV, comedy etc. Not on an individual basis
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Maybe so, I have no evidence to suggest otherwise but frankly I don't particularly care.

I think frankly social media is the worst thing to have happened in our generation. It's allowed widespread dissemination of extremist propaganda to a global demographic, some of whom have been easily coerced into doing heinous acts in the misguided belief they'll be rewarded in the afterlife. Obviously troubled minds in the first place but put a weapon in one hand and the promise of reward in the other and it doesn't take much to lead to carnage.

Censorship may be a bad thing but when it comes to Twitter/Facebook etc if more was done years ago to shut down these groups maybe it would have stemmed the flow.

All hyperbole anyway, I have no solution to it tbh. I think mistakes have been made and our governments have fanned the flames (providing weapons to pre-ISIS groups). We unfortunately are the ones who will likely pay for our governments poor foreign policy through a continued culture of fear and xenophobia.
 
SS-89 said:
Funny that I poke fun out of my muslim friends and girlfriend all the time, fortunately not been killed yet but it's only a matter of time.
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the other poster talked about mocking religion not people who happen to follow a religion - there is a big difference
 
SS-89 said:
Maybe so, I have no evidence to suggest otherwise but frankly I don't particularly care.
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perhaps you don't read the news much... Charlie Hebdo is a recent example, the attack in Texas too and the killing of a Danish cartoonist a few years ago
 
Nice hearing schoolkids cheering !!

In a classroom in Brussels full of 15 & 16 year old muslim students a teacher was unable to teach because of students cheering out loud. Where did they teach that behaviour? Can't be anything else than at home and their Mosques.
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SS-89 said:
Maybe so, I have no evidence to suggest otherwise but frankly I don't particularly care.

I think frankly social media is the worst thing to have happened in our generation. It's allowed widespread dissemination of extremist propaganda to a global demographic, some of whom have been easily coerced into doing heinous acts in the misguided belief they'll be rewarded in the afterlife. Obviously troubled minds in the first place but put a weapon in one hand and the promise of reward in the other and it doesn't take much to lead to carnage.

Censorship may be a bad thing but when it comes to Twitter/Facebook etc if more was done years ago to shut down these groups maybe it would have stemmed the flow.

All hyperbole anyway, I have no solution to it tbh. I think mistakes have been made and our governments have fanned the flames (providing weapons to pre-ISIS groups). We unfortunately are the ones who will likely pay for our governments poor foreign policy through a continued culture of fear and xenophobia.
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I hate the banning of free speech but unfortunately everyone loves a band wagon (it's genetic)

I hate social networking too. And agree it's probably the worst thing to happen in our generation
 
dowie said:
the other poster talked about mocking religion not people who happen to follow a religion - there is a big difference
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I wasn't clear but given the quote I thought it was clear I meant taking the michael out of their religion (apologies!)

dowie said:
perhaps you don't read the news much... Charlie Hebdo is a recent example, the attack in Texas too and the killing of a Danish cartoonist a few years ago
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No I'm well aware of those, was more referring to TV but two-three incidents equates to a widespread issue? Again I don't have evidence to prove but I imagine those aren't the only comedic illustrations of islamic figures in history. There may have been widespread upset over it but all it takes is some mentally unhinged person to take up arms and cause violence. With circa 1 billion muslims globally the chances are obviously higher in terms of the number of crazy/radical followers.
 
Nemeses said:
Pity you missed the main problem here this is not about Islam, its about idiots hiding behind and using Islam as a reason, that's not the same.

If they did not have Islam to use they would find something else this is just about a murderous bunch of people who want things there way, and they will use any reason to try and justify what they doing.
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that is rather naive, there isn't much to support that view at all and it isn't a helpful one. Their fundamentalist beliefs are driving these attacks, they're not merely an excuse for them to go and be murderous they're the reason for them being murderous in the first place. To them it is all about Islam or rather their interpretation of it.
 
SS-89 said:
No I'm well aware of those, was more referring to TV but two-three incidents equates to a widespread issue? Again I don't have evidence to prove but I imagine those aren't the only comedic illustrations of islamic figures in history.
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OK, could you give an example of recent non controversial comedic illustrations of mohammed in mainstream media?

You're not seriously unaware that mocking Mohammed is inevitably going to cause a huge **** storm for most moderate muslims let alone fundamentalists?
 
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Outcast said:
Nice hearing schoolkids cheering !!



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Lol so one random idiot on a forum claims of this behaviour?? Dear god almighty, you just prove how unbelievably gullible you are lol.

Now if u had a news source for his rubbish then I'd possibly entertain the idea as being real but seriously lol just lol.

I needed a good laugh today and you have given me that along with the others in here trying to blame Islam for the worlds problems.
 
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