I mean whether it's nationalism or religion people can be led to kill others, I wonder why you linked soldiers to suicide bombers in the extreme sense, but in any case millions of innocent people have died throughout history by invading arms consisted of soldiers willing to kill for their country.
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I mean whether it's nationalism or religion people can be led to kill others, I wonder why you linked soldiers to suicide bombers in the extreme sense, but in any case millions of innocent people have died throughout history by invading arms consisted of soldiers willing to kill for their country.
Your well delivered and intellectually charged point doesn't work as I'm not Muslim so Islam is just 'another' religion to me.
Needless to say, I'm sure you have many examples of early Muslims randomly killing non-Muslims in their lands in terrorist acts such as the ones we see in modern times.
How many innocent people were killed in the Iraq war? It's a bit foolish to say it's just islam as the root of it all when you have a lot of people that have lost everything due to the EU/US invasion. The word revenge springs to mind. They know they can't beat us in a proper militarised battle so they so go for the stealth tactics.
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So to justify your view you've used an example of 1 lone wolf in 2 billion Christians against a Muslim group/ sect whose numbers are in the hundreds of thousands. I see, yes they are both comparible.
Circular arguments are circular.
One thing that cannot be denied is that Islam has a violence problem. No, this doesn't mean all Muslims are to blame, it means we expect them to accept that Islam has a violence problem and that everyone is responsible for cutting this violence from the ideology.
One thing that cannot be denied is that Islam has a violence problem. No, this doesn't mean all Muslims are to blame, it means we expect them to accept that Islam has a violence problem and that everyone is responsible for cutting this violence from the ideology.
Here is a genuine question, we are now at a point where there are thousands of known foreign fighters out there with EU/US/Australian/etc citizenship. Turkey recently released information that one of the associated bombers was deported to Holland after being caught on the border with Syria and suspected to be a foreign fighter.
So the question is what does currently happen to known foreign fighters if they get back to their respective Western countries where they have citizenship and known to have participated in fighting abroad?
So the question is what does currently happen to known foreign fighters if they get back to their respective Western countries where they have citizenship and known to have participated in fighting abroad?
In Sweden they get a nice apartment and a job to help them rehabilitate back into society (and build nail bombs)
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Guess it depends if they can be linked to an actual crime or not. Afaik(and probably am wrong) but joining a group that isn't proscribed isn't an actual crime. Isis was only proscribe in June 2014.
I imagine the google searches I just did added me to a watchlist
. It appears a few have been jailed where they don't renounce their decision. I imagine some are released back into public in order to dissuade others or to keep an eye on(probably both) as they haven't technically committed any crime or have shown sufficient remorse to a lenient judge/made a deal with the security services.
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You'll need to add a bit more substance to your reasoning rather than make it about me being brainwashed.
A suicide bomber walks into a cafe and blows himself up killing a number of people. Who is to directly to blame? Clearly the bomber. Why did he blow himself up? Well here it's not just simple as saying "Islam"without understanding the cause/source of his decisions that led to the action.
It's not a question of race. That has absolutely nothing to do with it. The leaders of Islam, both internationally, nationality and at a local level should be doing more to aid the security services. Every interview I've seen recently they don't say 'yes we have a problem we will do everything we can to help' they blame the West. Poor integration for young Muslim men, low levels of employment and so on.
Of course, but not like the terrorism we have now. It's a harsh and practical religion created in a harsh environment but to think that somehow these terrorists are committing atrocities purely for the benefit of/ for Islam is silly.
Are you a Christian? If so, you need to do something about the Ku Klux Klan, the BNP or the Russian National Unity party. All if them are far right Christian groups that adhere to dangerous ideologies and have thousands of followers. Some if them were directly involved in acts of terrorism. Christianity has a problem and, by your logic, it's up to you to fix it.
The leaders of Islam preach peace and the condemn violence whenever it occurs. You can't hold them accountable for terrorism just like you can't blame the Pope when a Catholic goes on a killing spree.
You're right, that wasn't my intention and I referred to that earlier by saying Islam (rather, particular interpretations) was indeed part of the issue but wasn't the single cause.
Hope my extensive knowledge of Islam was sufficient to give you a good enough answer
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Well said, but your preaching to the deaf who blame the west, ironic really as these same people live in the "west" mostly.
I have been saying this and thought this for years, they had the same attitudes to the west 20\30 years ago, but we still allowed them to come here and settle and to change our countries\cities and way of life to suit theirs, now we are paying the price for our hospitality.
It is time it all stopped.
You can't turn back the clock and I'm more than certain there's numerous cases where they've been a benifit to society.
It's still a minority tarring the majority.
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