Windows 10

Wish they'd spend more time on the nitty gritty usability features and less time on fancy features most people don't give a **** about.

Updated Windows Update Settings: You can now set the time in which you are most active on your device by adjusting active hours under Settings > Update & security > Windows Update. Windows Update will avoid automatically installing updates during your active hours on your device.
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:rolleyes:

More and more ridiculous special casing... just give us back proper manual control without having to do horrid things to the OS ffs (Even policy editing has some disadvantages compared to manual control in Windows 7).

In their apparent stubbornness to abandon forced automatic updates/restarts they are gonna end up with such a clunky, convoluted, sprawl of workarounds (that still don't encompass the full range of issues) that all kinds of potential will arise for unintended behaviour and other bugs.

EDIT: Having user mode Linux integration is pretty awesome though.
 
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In the big picture though, having most people on a wide variety of out dated, un-patched versions of the OS is far more of an issue than just putting in a few workarounds.

We've all had that moment in the late 2000's when a friend/family member asked us to look at their PC because it was slow, and we discover its got a release day build of XP on it without any Service Packs :eek:!
 
Skeeter said:
In the big picture though, having most people on a wide variety of out dated, un-patched versions of the OS is far more of an issue than just putting in a few workarounds.

We've all had that moment in the late 2000's when a friend/family member asked us to look at their PC because it was slow, and we discover its got a release day build of XP on it without any Service Packs :eek:!
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It isn't really that big an issue - Windows 10's default stance is to push a higher level of automation for updates and I don't have a problem with that if it came with more manual configuration. Many aspects of Windows 10 require upto date components for online interaction so at some point people will be updating largely.

Largely the issues of friends and family PCs being slow has nothing to do with what level of updates they have and more due to lack of common sense and/or technical knowledge they've clicked yes on every popup etc. and ended up with 100s of toolbars and useless background programs spamming them with shopping ads and so on or just poor housekeeping of their OS in general.
 
I'm considering upgrading to Windows 10 Pro so I can run a few VM's in Hyper V and I can then retire my little W28K server.

Updates are a concern for me, I dont want it to restart the computer and my VM's. Can I actually postpone updates until I can schedule in the downtime or is that not possible?
 
Rroff said:
Largely the issues of friends and family PCs being slow has nothing to do with what level of updates they have and more due to lack of common sense and/or technical knowledge they've clicked yes on every popup etc. and ended up with 100s of toolbars and useless background programs spamming them with shopping ads and so on or just poor housekeeping of their OS in general.
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I wasn't suggesting that the lack of updates makes them slow. It was just an example of why I might have found myself in front of a 6 year old XP machine thats never had a Windows Update applied.
 
tribz said:
I'm considering upgrading to Windows 10 Pro so I can run a few VM's in Hyper V and I can then retire my little W28K server.

Updates are a concern for me, I dont want it to restart the computer and my VM's. Can I actually postpone updates until I can schedule in the downtime or is that not possible?
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I've been running my home server on Windows 10 since launch day. I've made sure anything that needs to be running starts on its own after a reboot, and not once have I ever noticed an issue with it rebooting itself.
 
Skeeter said:
I've been running my home server on Windows 10 since launch day. I've made sure anything that needs to be running starts on its own after a reboot, and not once have I ever noticed an issue with it rebooting itself.
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I don't see the problem though - if MS makes the current behaviour default and hides the options to take more granular control in an advanced menu.

I definitely can't have my systems rebooting of their own accord - I even have some running through a UPS to minimise changes of that happening :S
 
a) Why have you got the reboot window set to a time when your using the machine?
b) Running VMs on a Hyper-V host is hardly typical home user stuff, is it.

99.9% of Windows PC users are not like us :p.

Also, if a machine is so important that you "definitely cannot have them rebooting of their own accord", why have you installed Windows 10 on them? Its back to my sewage pipe analogy from before.
 
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So what if its not typical home user stuff? I have a bit of hobby stuff that has some data logging (aside from the fact that a break in the data isn't ideal a lot of the software doesn't prevent windows restarting or necessarily saving on a forced restart which often means lost data as well).

I don't have a set time when I'm "active" on my machine(s) - which would be aptly illustrated if OcUK had activity graphs for users lol.

MS and even your vision of what a "normal" user is doesn't even come close to encompassing the variety of way's people use their PCs in the real world.
 
Skeeter said:
In the big picture though, having most people on a wide variety of out dated, un-patched versions of the OS is far more of an issue than just putting in a few workarounds.

We've all had that moment in the late 2000's when a friend/family member asked us to look at their PC because it was slow, and we discover its got a release day build of XP on it without any Service Packs :eek:!
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That level of automation is fine when it's for people who don't know any better, but the people asking for more control over updates are exactly the users who know about keeping their OS up to date, and just want more control over the process. One size does not fit all.
 
Rroff said:
So what if its not typical home user stuff? I have a bit of hobby stuff that has some data logging (aside from the fact that a break in the data isn't ideal a lot of the software doesn't prevent windows restarting or necessarily saving on a forced restart which often means lost data as well).

I don't have a set time when I'm "active" on my machine(s) - which would be aptly illustrated if OcUK had activity graphs for users lol.

MS and even your vision of what a "normal" user is doesn't even come close to encompassing the variety of way's people use their PCs in the real world.
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So like I said, if this stuff is so mission critical it has to stay on all the time, why are you running it on Windows 10?
 
Steampunk said:
That level of automation is fine when it's for people who don't know any better, but the people asking for more control over updates are exactly the users who know about keeping their OS up to date, and just want more control over the process. One size does not fit all.
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One size fits 99.9% though.
 
Skeeter said:
So like I said, if this stuff is so mission critical it has to stay on all the time, why are you running it on Windows 10?
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I'm not running it on 10 but with previous OS versions becoming depreciated down the road it doesn't leave me with a lot of choices if I want to stay current with my OSes.
 
Rroff said:
I'm not running it on 10 but with previous OS versions becoming depreciated down the road it doesn't leave me with a lot of choices if I want to stay current with my OSes.
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Windows 7 will be supported for a looooooong time yet. And there are countless other options too.
 
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