Windows 10

V F · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:25

Skeeter said:
In the big picture though, having most people on a wide variety of out dated, un-patched versions of the OS is far more of an issue than just putting in a few workarounds.

We've all had that moment in the late 2000's when a friend/family member asked us to look at their PC because it was slow, and we discover its got a release day build of XP on it without any Service Packs !

Skeeter said:
So like I said, if this stuff is so mission critical it has to stay on all the time, why are you running it on Windows 10?

You can't have it both ways so which is it?

Skeeter · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:25

Steampunk said:
That's a big assumption on your part without any evidence. If that were the case, MS would not be changing things.

How many people have complained about wanting more control over updates?
How many Windows 10 machines are there?

Unless the answer to the first bit is more than 200,000, its a fair assumption.

Rroff · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:25

Skeeter said:
Windows 7 will be supported for a looooooong time yet. And there are countless other options too.

Not so much when the software only has a Windows version for instance... you need to try and take a broader look at things :S you are incredibly narrow minded.

Skeeter · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:26

V F said:
You can't have it both ways so which is it?

Key word: "most"

The automatic updates model is not designed to keep Rroff happy.

Skeeter · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:27

Rroff said:
Not so much when the software only has a Windows version for instance... you need to try and take a broader look at things :S you are incredibly narrow minded.

I'd argue the exact opposite! I'm not the one suggesting Microsoft's global policy across an entire software platform should be designed to cater for my own, personal, specific and very individual needs.

Are you aware of Azure's maintenance windows?

Rroff · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:28

Skeeter said:
Key word: "most"

The automatic updates model is not designed to keep Rroff happy.

Plenty of people who aren't happy with the model, not all of them complain as much as I do but there are plenty of unhappy people on various forums, etc. - a google search for disabling automatic updates on 10 gets 100s of thousands of hits and increasingly I'm seeing it causing problems for businesses where MS's model doesn't fit their business structure.

Rroff · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:28

Skeeter said:
I'd argue the exact opposite! I'm not the one suggesting Microsoft's global policy across an entire software platform should be designed to cater for my own, personal, specific and very individual needs.

Are you aware of Azure's maintenance windows?

Neither am I you are just too narrow minded to see it

(Just google "windows 10 automatic updates" there aren't pages and pages of hits talking about how to disable them just written by me).

Skeeter · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:32

Rroff said:
Neither am I you are just too narrow minded to see it

(Just google "windows 10 automatic updates" there aren't pages and pages of hits talking about how to disable them just written by me).

Theres also hundreds and hundreds of hits for people supporting Trump, or who think UFO's are real?

I really hope you never use Azure

Steampunk · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:36

Skeeter said:
How many people have complained about wanting more control over updates?
How many Windows 10 machines are there?

Unless the answer to the first bit is more than 200,000, its a fair assumption.

You can do a spot check by looking at all the complaints here and all over the internet. Certainly, a spot check on my home machines puts the issue at 100 percent dissatisfaction.

It's been raised a lot since the beta, and ever since, hence the changes MS keeps making. Or do you think they are doing that to satisfy 0.1 percent of their installed user base?

There's nothing wrong with more options for different requirements. Don't feel the need to argue your entrenched position based on a bit of hyperbole you threw out without thinking.

Skeeter · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:38

Steampunk said:
You can do a spot check by looking at all the complaints here and all over the internet. Certainly, a spot check on my home machines puts the issue at 100 percent dissatisfaction.

It's been raised a lot since the beta, and ever since, hence the changes MS keeps making. Or do you think they are doing that to satisfy 0.1 percent of their installed user base?

There's nothing wrong with more options for different requirements. Don't feel the need to argue your entrenched position based on a bit of hyperbole you threw out without thinking.

They haven't given you the ability to turn off update though, have they?

They are throwing you the odd treat to dampen down the PR effect of all the complaining, but ultimately their strategy remains, and will remain. And its a strategy that goes way beyond just Windows 10 PCs at home.

uncle_rufus · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:40

I'm with Rroff on this one... I can see the argument that for a lot of users the rebooting settings are fine, but they would still be fine if there was an optional "advanced" mode that gave full control to those that want it...

In my case what annoys me about it is sometimes I want to batch render a few videos for my YouTube channel overnight... it's a major pain if I wake up the next day and find that the rendering got killed because Windows helpfully decided to reboot for updates!!!

Rroff · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:41

Skeeter said:
Theres also hundreds and hundreds of hits for people supporting Trump, or who think UFO's are real?

I really hope you never use Azure

Steampunk said:
hyperbole

Thanks for that word it perfectly sums it up.

Skeeter · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:42

uncle_rufus said:
I'm with Rroff on this one... I can see the argument that for a lot of users the rebooting settings are fine, but they would still be fine if there was an optional "advanced" mode that gave full control to those that want it...

In my case what annoys me about it is sometimes I want to batch render a few videos for my YouTube channel overnight... it's a major pain if I wake up the next day and find that the rendering got killed because Windows helpfully decided to reboot for updates!!!

I assume your equally as vocal towards your power company should a power cut cause your PC to reboot?

james.miller · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:42

I dont notice my machine rebooting any more. Infact i notice the restart and install updates option a lot more when i'm putting it in to standby

I've not changed anything so i dont know, but i dont seem to have issues with it any more.

V F · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:44

Skeeter said:
Key word: "most"

The automatic updates model is not designed to keep Rroff happy.

So what is the problem then when a person can delay a restart for 3 days. As it specifically tells said person via the alternative option, delayed.

Skeeter · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:44

james.miller said:
I dont notice my machine rebooting any more. Infact i notice the restart and install updates option a lot more when i'm putting it in to standby

I've not changed anything so i dont know, but i dont seem to have issues with it any more.

Thats my point, most people don't.

A few people do, and they are a very vocal few. But they have spent the best part of 18 months ranting about it and Microsoft show no sign of listening, which suggests its a fruitless cause and they should move on.

V F · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:49

Is it just me or does the interface feels so cheap with Windows 10? There is no nice feel like you are pushing buttons... It has been bugging me for many many months. Like it has a cheap feel.

I liked that feeling with Windows 7. Seeing the buttons sink in.

Steampunk · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:50

Skeeter said:
They haven't given you the ability to turn off update though, have they?

Dunno, I'm wondering if a user can say that every hour is when the PC is in use, and what happens then. And there is also the group policy workaround.

Skeeter said:
They are throwing you the odd treat to dampen down the PR effect of all the complaining, but ultimately their strategy remains, and will remain. And its a strategy that goes way beyond just Windows 10 PCs at home.

A strategy for dealing with dumb people who don't keep their systems up to date. Which doesn't apply to a lot of us power users. As I said, one size doesn't fit all.

james.miller · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:50

Well, the random rebooting doesnt happen any more so Microsoft must be listening.

You guys still having problems, i take it you've left feedback on the hub etc.?

Looking at the current trending issues, the rebooting isnt anywhere to be seen in terms of what's trending.

Rroff · 8 Apr 2016 at 15:50

Steampunk said:
Dunno, I'm wondering if a user can say that every hour is when the PC is in use, and what happens then. And there is also the group policy workaround.

Sadly not - you can only specify a 10 hour period!

james.miller said:
Well, the random rebooting doesnt happen any more so Microsoft must be listening.

You guys still having problems, i take it you've left feedback on the hub etc.?

Looking at the current trending issues, the rebooting isnt anywhere to be seen in terms of what's trending.

It does still happen - only few days ago my dad left some information up on his PC for my mum to refer to later in the day and it restarted in the meantime leaving her stressing as she didn't know how to access it and couldn't get hold of him on the phone.

I've left feedback and also promoted a few other posts including one from someone else here who was getting the updates available notification coming up over their EPOS systems and similar for another problem at work related to automatic updates and MS not accounting for usage outside of a very narrow model they've envisioned.

Unfortunately its not one of the biggest complained about things and spread over a few different topics depending on how it affects people but its not an insignificant one either - my old post on the old beta feedback centre thing was promoted 1000s of times.