Caught on CCTV: Moment woman attacks member of the public

Meh.

Woman throws punch at man, man is put into fight or flight situation, woman gets ktfo.

The problem here is while the man may or may not have been acting in self defence (that's up to a court to decide), he fled the scene.
 
It's telling that most the people on this forum condone the actions of the jaw breaker, even though no one one here can be 100% sure what happened.

For example, there appears to be an event off camera before she throws her pathetic swing - that could have been the car driver hitting the old guy, or the old guy may have hit him. Who knows.

Also bear in mind that swearing or threatening someone is common assault - and there's no audio, so everyone's assumptions here are pointless. So again, it's telling that without sufficient info people are supporting the big guy who broke the older ladies' jaw.
 
Common assault afaik doesn't allow violence for self defense though.

I don't think anyone condones any of these prats actions.

You can see what's going on off camera via the bonnet reflection (although still hard to distinguish if any contact was made).

Ianal but even if there was a physical altercation between the two men I would presume that once the female swung it was a new assault as there was no self defense there as the bloke was leaving.

If he hadn't broken her jaw would it be fine in your eyes? It may be the case she hit something on the floor that caused the break. It may not have been the punch directly.
 
Mynight said:
Common assault afaik doesn't allow violence for self defense though.

I don't think anyone condones any of these prats actions.

You can see what's going on off camera via the bonnet reflection (although still hard to distinguish if any contact was made).

Ianal but even if there was a physical altercation between the two men I would presume that once the female swung it was a new assault as there was no self defense there as the bloke was leaving.

If he hadn't broken her jaw would it be fine in your eyes? It may be the case she hit something on the floor that caused the break. It may not have been the punch directly.
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I actually don't think it was 'fine' as I'm not making a judgement either way.

My point was most here are siding with the chap who broke the woman's jaw, despite there not being enough conclusive evidence from that CCTV footage to make judgements either way.
 
banja said:
I actually don't think it was 'fine' as I'm not making a judgement either way.

My point was most here are siding with the chap who broke the woman's jaw, despite there not being enough conclusive evidence from that CCTV footage to make judgements either way.
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That isn't really a point, if new evidence shows something else happened, opinion can change. IF a video appears to show two people confronting then starting a physical altercation and another guy throwing one punch after having been attacked... you side with the guy defending himself. There is nothing wrong with that, that is the evidence in the video. More evidence can change this opinion, but having a go at people for taking the evidence they have and forming an opinion based on it is silly.

That's effectively saying you can never form an opinion because there can always be more evidence. You go but what you're shown/told/given as evidence.

I haven't even bothered watching the video, but going off the description I would side with the guy defending himself. If more evidence came to light that showed a day earlier this guy kicked the old man having parked here before that would change the situation.

Breaking the jaw, and MS are being used as emotional excuses. He didn't know her jaw would break when he threw the punch, just like he wouldn't have a single clue she had MS, those facts are completely extraneous to what happened.

Two aggressors (seemingly) started a verbal altercation with the two other guys trying to leave, they then escalated it to a physical altercation with again the guys trying to leave at which point the guy throws a punch which stops her being aggressive and he leaves. It's entirely appropriate to base an opinion on those facts because that is what is shown on the video(according to the 99% majority of people discussing it). Assuming everyone's opinion wouldn't change in the light of new evidence is just as bad as assuming other things happened off camera that makes changes who is right and who is wrong in the video.
 
hurfdurf said:
Equal rights equal lefts.

The men who oppose hitting people based on gender show how much they must hate women by revealing how little they think of them that they can't have equal responsiblities and consequences to men.
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You post some crap.
I'm amazed you haven't linked it to our rape society.
You need help.
 
banja said:
I actually don't think it was 'fine' as I'm not making a judgement either way.

My point was most here are siding with the chap who broke the woman's jaw, despite there not being enough conclusive evidence from that CCTV footage to make judgements either way.
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There's plenty of evidence to form an opinion.
 
mrk said:
Meh.

Woman throws punch at man, man is put into fight or flight situation, woman gets ktfo.

The problem here is while the man may or may not have been acting in self defence (that's up to a court to decide), he fled the scene.
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He thought he was Batman with that cross-counter!


Anyhow, it's for the court to settle, not GD. Though being a thug to your elders on camera, whatever their individual merits, isn't normally a recipe for an easy ride in court.
 
mrk said:
The problem here is while the man may or may not have been acting in self defence (that's up to a court to decide), he fled the scene.
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that's what you're meant to do in a self defence situation, use enough force that you can make an escape.

you aren't meant to hang around.
 
Gustov said:
This is the best thing I've ever read on OCUK.
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Proven perfectly by the guy who posted after me about his friend losing an eye to some mad woman with a stiletto because he wouldn't defend himself due to it being a woman.

I've come across plenty of women who wouldn't think twice about sticking a broken glass in you, come at me with a broken glass then I don't care if you're a man/woman/alien I'm going to hit you hard enough to stop you potentially killing me. I'm not going to get into a grappling contest so I can fall on your glass or some have a go hero can sucker punch me.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
I haven't even bothered watching the video, but going off the description I would side with the guy defending himself. If more evidence came to light that showed a day earlier this guy kicked the old man having parked here before that would change the situation.

Breaking the jaw, and MS are being used as emotional excuses. He didn't know her jaw would break when he threw the punch, just like he wouldn't have a single clue she had MS, those facts are completely extraneous to what happened.
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This is hilarious. Why on earth would you even bother expressing an opinion when you haven't even watched the video?? Are you so confident in psychic abilities that you think it would be beneath you to watch it or something?? Unfortunately, whether it's from your misreading or other people describing things inaccurately, your interpretation of events is way off. You and several others have tried to make out that the young bully was just trying to get away and avoid conflict. Actually the reverse is true, and it can clearly be seen from the video that having gone to get back in the car he specifically went back to the front of the car and assaulted the old guy by swiping him in the face and knocking his glasses off (this can be seen in CCTV footage from another angle). The woman was then trying to pull him back and push him back towards the car which is when she tried to punch him.

The very idea that his return punch was anything about "self defence" is absolutely laughable. We're talking about 5 foot overweight woman who had already clearly demonstrated she couldn't even land a punch. The absolute most anyone would need to do to "defend" themselves against such a minimal threat would be to push her away. And of course the best thing he chould have done, apart from not parking illegally on their property in the first place and then refuse to leave when asked, would have been simply to get back in his car and leave.

And your point that his breaking her jaw was somehow "extraneous" because he "couldn't know her jaw would break" is definitely the most preposterous thing I've read on the internet in a long time. Any adult (and in fact most children) know full well that there is a very high risk of breaking someone's jaw if you punch them hard in the face. The fact that it might not ALWAYS break someone's jaw is no defence whatsoever, neither in law or morally.

The thug's reaction was massively over the top and totally and utterly disproportionate to the threat, which was virtually non existent, which is why with any luck he'll go down for GBH.
 
The extra CCTV footage from the other angle is on the end of the video below. It's quite small but it's clear that it's actually the young bully starts the whole physical altercation when he squares up to the old guy, attempting to intimidate him by getting right in his face, and then swipes him across his face and knocks the old guy's glasses off.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...of-woman-49-in-row-over-parking-a3215846.html
 
Bill Hives said:
The absolute most anyone would need to do to "defend" themselves against such a minimal threat would be to push her away.
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oh right so you'd push an over weight, infirm, MS sufferer with coordination issues so she falls backwards smashes her skull on the concrete and lives the remainder of her life as a vegetable with brain damage?


you scum :mad:
 
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