Channel 4 - What British Muslims Really Think

[Tefal]

Yes.. because any survey is going to be flawed from the outset if not? It's like poling a street of millionaires what it's like having no money, it's not representative.

But the majority of the muslim population does live in urban areas.


Bur sure if you day its not applicable to all muslims it just needs retitling to "what inner city muslims really think"

It doesnt invalidate thier answeres at all.

 

[diamount]

But the majority of the muslim population does live in urban areas.


Bur sure if you day its not applicable to all muslims it just needs retitling to "what inner city muslims really think"

It doesnt invalidate thier answeres at all.

I know for certain C4 has no intention to do anything but a fluff piece, like most media nowadays but to really get to the meat for such a heated question, we need more than their location. You know, their work, income bracket, if they have non-muslim friends, how diverse their area is, etc etc.

 

[wildman]

I know for certain C4 has no intention to do anything but a fluff piece, like most media nowadays but to really get to the meat for such a heated question, we need more than their location. You know, their work, income bracket, if they have non-muslim friends, how diverse their area is, etc etc.

regardless of all of that as tefal said

It doesnt invalidate thier answeres at all.

The fact remains that there is still a worrying number of British muslims that sympathise with the terrorists unless they just answered that way for giggles.

 

[diamount]

The fact remains that there is still a worrying number of British muslims that sympathise with the terrorists unless they just answered that way for giggles.

If a literal handful of people can make you worried, then please stay off the internet.

 

[Kutter]

What British Muslims Really Think.........

I could murder a bacon butty right now

/thread.

 

[Jokester]

If a literal handful of people can make you worried, then please stay off the internet.

Aye, thankfully it's only a handful of people sympathising with the handful of people actually engaged in the terrorist activities in Syria/Iran.

 

[asim18]

One thing thats hilarious is peoples presponse is basicaly "ermmm well they asked the WRONG muslims you see...."

But when all Muslims are wrong you'd be hard pressed finding a right Muslim wouldn't you?

20% of those Muslims surveyed could have been homosexual themselves.

 

[Tefal]

If a literal handful of people can make you worried, then please stay off the internet.

What's a "literal handful of people"?

Cause unless you're a freaking t rex to me a handfull of people would be like 1 tops.

 

[Limpnoodle]

delete

 

[Amp34]

Which itself is cherry picked and offset by one of the other options...

In other words 73% of Muslims could conceive that someone close to them would sympathise with terrorist causes whereas for the control group it's a minority.

So in context that 34% is more worrying than the 30% control group.

On the other side of the coin they would be far more likely to take direct action to by trying to dissuade a person than someone in the control survey.

 

[Amp34]

They did. The minuscule number of Muslims living in Home Counties or the Yorkshire Dales they didn't survey would have made almost no difference to the results.

That's not how it's been represented elsewhere. More like they polled the 50% of Muslims living in inner city areas, a large proportion of which are socially deprived areas. So they didn't take any notice of the other 50% that don't live in predominantly Muslim areas...

Using the general election analogy someone else brought up - the polls would indicate labour winning by a landslide every election. Which obviously isn't correct.

 

[kitch9]

Same for most christans tbh.

Every church in the country is pretty much empty on a Sunday these days.

As we've got more intelligent in the West more and more of us have realised that religion is incompatible with, well, anything and don't bother with them.

In order to combat the apathy and to try to remain relevant our main religions have pushed to preach more tolerance to those that are different.

In the middle east the opposite is true at this present time and violence is used against those who no longer believe instead.

 

[Efour]

Every church in the country is pretty much empty on a Sunday these days.

As we've got more intelligent in the West more and more of us have realised that religion is incompatible with, well, anything and don't bother with them.

I would say more consumeristic not intelligent per se

 

[Freakbro]

What's a "literal handful of people"?

Cause unless you're a freaking t rex to me a handfull of people would be like 1 tops.

Don't forget the new accepted definition of 'literally'....which is basically 'figuratively'....pretty much the opposite of its standard definition

 

[Cosimo]

I had a feelings this thread would pop up.

It was already in the Times on Monday but I knew someone would post yesterday so from the article, a summary:

The findings were described by Trevor Philips, former chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, as “astonishing” and “troubling”.

The survey also found that:

• More than half (52 per cent) of Muslims believed that homosexuality should be illegal in Britain.

• Nearly a quarter (23 per cent) of Muslims wanted Sharia to replace British law in some parts of the country.

• Nearly two in five (39 per cent) Muslims thought that wives should always obey their husbands.

• Nearly one in three (31 per cent) Muslims believed it was acceptable to have more than one wife.

• Five per cent of Muslims sympathised with people who took part in stoning adulterers.

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Mr Philips said that the survey exposed “the unacknowledged creation of a nation within the nation, with its own geography, its own values and its own very separate future”.

“For a long time, I too thought that Europe’s Muslims would become like previous waves of migrants, gradually abandoning their ancestral ways, wearing their religious and cultural baggage lightly, and gradually blending into Britain’s diverse identity landscape,” he wrote in The Sunday Times, which published some of the findings yesterday. “I should have known better. The integration of Muslims will probably be the hardest task we’ve ever faced. It will mean abandoning the milk-and-water multiculturalism still so beloved of many, and adopting a far more muscular approach to integration.”

A random sample of 1,081 adults aged 18 and over, who identified themselves as British Muslims, were interviewed face-to-face by ICM. Some 34 per cent said they would inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who supported terrorism in Syria. Some 4 per cent said that they sympathised with people who committed terrorist actions as a form of political protest and 4 per cent said they sympathised with suicide bombing to fight injustice.

The Muslim population of England and Wales grew by almost three quarters to 2.71 million in the decade to 2011. It is expected to rise to at least 6 million by 2050.

 

[Amp34]

But the majority of the muslim population does live in urban areas.


Bur sure if you day its not applicable to all muslims it just needs retitling to "what inner city muslims really think"

It doesnt invalidate thier answeres at all.

Thing is though, none of the results are particularly unexpected or explosive anyway. Very small number possibly support terrorism (1%), large proportion of religious people don't like homosexuality, etc.

Basically bunch of older religious people, many coming from more conservative countries turn out to be slightly less liberal than the average Brit... Shock horror. I bet you'd find the same results from many first and second generation Christian, Hindu, Jewish immigrants too...

The usual bunch of people and organizations will jump on some minor stat as evidence for their point of view and things will carry on as normal, possibly with a slight rise in islamophobic attacks, which usually happen after a media event like this.

The fact remains that there is still a worrying number of British muslims that sympathise with the terrorists unless they just answered that way for giggles.

10 people is worrying? That's the 1% that did the poll...

 

[The Running Man]

There is nothing astonishing in these results apart from how stupid you would have to be to state publically that you support things like the stoning of others.

#strong militant muslims

but what do British people think about importing hard line imams and clerics from Saudi Arabia due to a shortage in the UK?

 

[Locky]

Ask the same question of a lot of active Christians and you'd almost certainly get a similar answer.

Just look at the official Catholic stance on it, or the bible belt in America.
Let alone Christians in some of the eastern European countries, and that's before you even start to look at some of the African countries.

We only decriminalised it a handful of decades ago, it's still something that isn't fully accepted here.

Christians don't cause 99% of the worlds terror.. But that's a different story

 

[Roar87]

10 people is worrying? That's the 1% that did the poll...

That's 26,000 in Britain if you extrapolate the numbers. Nothing to worry about though, the survey must be wrong

 

[Efour]

That's 26,000 in Britain if you extrapolate the numbers. Nothing to worry about though, the survey must be wrong

Sounds about right..... Every little 17 year old "innit" chav wanna be gangsta discovering what his parents religion is and how important it is to fight against the system and Jihad cos "innit."