UK to take 3,000 extra child refugees

almoststew1990 said:
Whilst I agree with the principle of this, using a bit of Top Gear maths we can bring this number down...

3,000 kids over 3 years (assuming it takes 6 months to implement) we will receive 1,000 kids per year.

The average size of a Syrian family moving to the UK is 7. Assume that that's 3 adults 4 children.

Out of our 1,000 kids, let's conservatively say that 1/4 of them have a sibling and 1/10 of them have two siblings. Let's also assume they will live together.

1/4 of 1,000 = 250.
1/10 of 1,000 = 100

so we need 650 new 'homes', per year.

Next, let's assume that these kids, in order to have survived in camp alone, are on the older end of the 'kid' spectrum. 17,.16, 15 years old etc. Let's assume that 1/10 of them are 17, 1/12 of them are 16 and 1/16 of them are 15.

At the end of year 1, out of the 1000 kids (across 650 homes), 100 of them are going to leave the foster system. So for year 2 we 'only' need to find 550 spaces (assuming that existing foster parents that have one sibling leaving a family are happy to replace him or her with another, from another family). The next year we will only need (650-[100+83]) 467 spaces.

So over the three years we will need 650 + 550 +467 spaces This is 1667 spaces in the system.

Obviously these are all massive assumptions. Also this assumes that Syrian children will leave foster care at 18 (no idea if this is how the system works). Anyone got any thoughts on these calculations? Or insight into how the system actually works / comments on my assumptions?
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My only comment is we have ~8000 kids awaiting placement at the minute. Are we giving these new kids priority? If not they're just going to sit in the foster system lingering for years. That solves nothing as they still need somewhere to live. If they are given priority then quite frankly **** that. It's just plain wrong.
 
How do we define a child?

in this country a man who has sex today with a 15 year old girl whose 16th birthday is next week or even tomorrow will be called a paedophile & be forever condemned as a child molester.
In other countris a 13 year old girl is considered of age to marry. Spain had one of the lowest ages of consent on the continent at just 13, but recently agreed to raise this to 16.
For Austria, Germany, Portugal and Italy it is 14, and in France, the Czech Republic, Denmark, and Greece it is 15
 
thep02 said:
I bet camoron is crying now wondering why he thought it was a good idea to break North Africa and the Middle East.
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It's not his problem though is it?

It certainly wasn't Blairs! Just look how rich he and his family have become as a result (partially) of all this chaos!
 
Sleeply old Christchurch NZ has already been culturally 'enriched' this week by two 'child' asylum seekers molesting a 13yo school girl on her way to or from school. Can't remember which exactly as the article was pulled so fast a Cray super computer couldn't read it in time.

If only these children were actually children and not full bearded 18 year olds with a 4th world mentality I wouldn't mind. If you get them young you could make useful citizens out of them. Get them with their heads already filled with crap and it gets much harder.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Because your comment was baseless?
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Ok, didn't you post in a thread on here saying you will take in refugees back when all the lefties where swinging from the roof tops with banners saying welcome all?

I can't prove it because i think the thread was deleted, i'm not sure and i cba either. You have no valid points.
 
Dis86 said:
My only comment is we have ~8000 kids awaiting placement at the minute. Are we giving these new kids priority? If not they're just going to sit in the foster system lingering for years. That solves nothing as they still need somewhere to live. If they are given priority then quite frankly **** that. It's just plain wrong.
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GD never fails to deliver. I know a couple who were accepted to be foster parents over 12 months ago and are still waiting for a placement - are we sure there is a shortage due to lack of available parents ? It takes nearly 2 years to go through the current process to become foster parents.

I have always wondered why we allow IVF when there are children in care homes looking for adoptive parents.

What is wrong with offering humanitarian care to the needy children ? Austerity has proven one thing, the gap between the rich and the poor has grown significantly maybe a bit more distribution of wealth would help in these circumstances
 
The Geezer said:
GD never fails to deliver. I know a couple who were accepted to be foster parents over 12 months ago and are still waiting for a placement - are we sure there is a shortage due to lack of available parents ? It takes nearly 2 years to go through the current process to become foster parents.

I have always wondered why we allow IVF when there are children in care homes looking for adoptive parents.

What is wrong with offering humanitarian care to the needy children ? Austerity has proven one thing, the gap between the rich and the poor has grown significantly maybe a bit more distribution of wealth would help in these circumstances
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Some people want their own biological children and not someone else's. It's not up to anyone to decide if people are 'allowed' to try and have their own kids rather than being foisted with a homeless child.
 
almoststew1990 said:
Whilst I agree with the principle of this, using a bit of Top Gear maths we can bring this number down...

3,000 kids over 3 years (assuming it takes 6 months to implement) we will receive 1,000 kids per year.

The average size of a Syrian family moving to the UK is 7. Assume that that's 3 adults 4 children.

Out of our 1,000 kids, let's conservatively say that 1/4 of them have a sibling and 1/10 of them have two siblings. Let's also assume they will live together.

1/4 of 1,000 = 250.
1/10 of 1,000 = 100

so we need 650 new 'homes', per year.

Next, let's assume that these kids, in order to have survived in camp alone, are on the older end of the 'kid' spectrum. 17,.16, 15 years old etc. Let's assume that 1/10 of them are 17, 1/12 of them are 16 and 1/16 of them are 15.

At the end of year 1, out of the 1000 kids (across 650 homes), 100 of them are going to leave the foster system. So for year 2 we 'only' need to find 550 spaces (assuming that existing foster parents that have one sibling leaving a family are happy to replace him or her with another, from another family). The next year we will only need (650-[100+83]) 467 spaces.

So over the three years we will need 650 + 550 +467 spaces This is 1667 spaces in the system.

Obviously these are all massive assumptions. Also this assumes that Syrian children will leave foster care at 18 (no idea if this is how the system works). Anyone got any thoughts on these calculations? Or insight into how the system actually works / comments on my assumptions?
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The country needs to build about 250,000 home a year to keep apace with the population as it stands, so you idea of 1600 spaces over three years is woefully out of kilter.

Then there is the issue of school places, 300,000 extra places are going to be required by 2020.

Locally children centres have been closed becasue of budget cuts. Some people are being given dates in June for the first available doctors appointment.
 
It's a shame there are no oil-rich Countries a bit nearer to Syria with the same sort of Culture they could go to. Oh, wait.
 
OldCoals said:
The country needs to build about 250,000 home a year to keep apace with the population as it stands, so you idea of 1600 spaces over three years is woefully out of kilter
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My calculations were just in relation to number of available of Foster Carers/spaces, I did not mention supporting services. It is a safe assumption that forster parents already have a house. This crisis doesn't really affect the housing crisis in my view.

Moving on to the schools-

1,000 is a 0.3% (or less depending on what shortage figure you use)increase over the existing shortage of school places that is raved about each year. Also remember that these children will probably be older- the demand for new places comes from the bottom up (i.e. 5 year olds starting primary school). Finally, the ages of the children will be spread out to some degree, so the impact of the shortage of places in each year group will be lessened. School places is not a very good reason to object to these children coming in, when there are much bigger pressures on the school system responsible for the shortage.

Finally (again..) I personally don't know of any child who is not able to attend primary school due to a shortage of places (but then I do know like 3 five year olds...) Yes there is a shortage of spaces, but we meet this shortfall each year with new classrooms and teachers? We must do, otherwise there would be outcry about children not being able to attend school (which is illegal I think!)

For the access to medical care- Yes I quite agree that these children will make this bad situation worse. No counter argument for this.
 
They will grow up, they will become adults, they will spread and bring in more Syrian families or other refugee's

What about all the other 1000's of children that have suffered through the years? Oh yes, lets tug on those recent media heart strings

Rage :mad:
 
I am all for helping children as long as it does not come at the expense of our own but does the rule still stand that once one of these children are in then a large portion of their family can also come over? if known or found in the future that is.
 
McGray said:
The general attitude on this forum is pretty ugly.
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I must admit it has one of the strangest outlooks amongst the various forums I visit.

I was totally blown away the first time I dipped into the non-computer based parts of the forum, not what I was expecting at all from such a place, which is why I mainly stay in those sections TBH.
 
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