Praise Allah to be on British buses

No, I just worry that there are people who have these kind of beliefs.

Even Trevor Phillips, who led the vanguard for multiculturalism is now admitting they got it wrong and that Muslims will not integrate. Should yo not be more worried about the growing Islamisation of British life that those of us who want to suppress Islam? But you won't, because that is wrongthink.
 
Technically it would fall foul of the misleading advertising Laws in the UK as it: Infers you will be 'rewarded' for Donating to their Charity by a fictional deity. Can they give actual 'Evidence' or 'Proof' this will occur? I highly doubt it. :cool::D

Religions are often treated as being above the law. Anyone who says they shouldn't be is called a bigot and shouted down, so having religions wholly subject to the same laws as everything else is a long way from becoming a mainstream position. It's part of religious freedom, don't ya know?
 
Even Trevor Phillips, who led the vanguard for multiculturalism is now admitting they got it wrong and that Muslims will not integrate.

I don't agree with that statement at all, I know lots of Muslims through my personal and working life and all of them integrate with their local communities and with people from other backgrounds. That statement is such a big generalisation that you're completely blind or just a massive troll.

Should yo not be more worried about the growing Islamisation of British life that those of us who want to suppress Islam? But you won't, because that is wrongthink.

Growing Islamisation? I don't know what the hell that is, but I'm not worried about it at all.
 
I think it's more about size. How do you define power in this context? If 20 people devoutly believe something and several million devoutly to a bit believe in it then the distinction is size. If you mobilize enough of the people who a bit to a lot believe in a religion to do something out of the normal then that may be a powerful force simply through weight of numbers, but that would apply to any large enough group of people formed for any reason.

I think it's mainly about power, which usually but not always correlates with size. It's not about how devout the followers are, it's about how much power the ideology wields. That might be from a smaller number of followers with more individual power or a larger number of followers with less individual power. Size is a factor at the extreme ends (i.e. 20 followers wouldn't be enough even if they were very powerful people), but it's the power that really counts. That power might be money. It might be positions of power. It might be enough voters to form a significant bloc. It might be all sorts of things, some requiring more followers than others, but it's still power.

But this is moving away from the reason I made the previous posts, we seem to be agreeing that there is a distinction between a cult and a religion and the way those words are normally used.

We are not agreeing and we don't seem to be agreeing. You think that there's an important difference between a cult and a religion. I think the only difference is how much power it wields, i.e. that there isn't really any fundamental distinction at all. It's like the difference between a violent nutter armed with cold cooked spaghetti and an equally violent nutter armed with a sword - the latter has more power and therefore will do more harm, but they're not fundamentally different.
 
I don't agree with that statement at all, I know lots of Muslims through my personal and working life and all of them integrate with their local communities and with people from other backgrounds. That statement is such a big generalisation that you're completely blind or just a massive troll.

Is it a big generalisation though? When I lived in Leicester (and this may have changed now) but I did not see any integration at all, in fact it was quite the opposite. I am not talking solely Muslims here.
 
Of course it is, you're just talking about one area and stating that you didn't witness it. Doesn't mean that it didn't happen and there's plenty of other places in the UK!
 
I don't agree with that statement at all, I know lots of Muslims through my personal and working life and all of them integrate with their local communities and with people from other backgrounds. That statement is such a big generalisation that you're completely blind or just a massive troll.

Whether I am "blind" or a "troll" is moot, given that the person saying this is Trevor Phillips of Civitas. Like I said, he was a big proponent of multiculturalism and advocated for Muslims. The fact he is saying this is telling.

Growing Islamisation? I don't know what the hell that is, but I'm not worried about it at all.

Ah, so you're the sort that would not have been worried about the rise of German National Socialism, Russian Bolsheviks or Chinese Maoist. Gotcha!
 
That's one person you've given as an example who's stated that, one person's opinion. Whether it is fact or not is irrelevant, you can choose to agree or disagree with him but it is not 'telling'.

What about the rise of other cultures? Jews, Hindus, Sikhs - or let's open it up, a rise in the number of Indians/Chinese/whatever, does that bother/worry you too?
 
If Multiculturalism worked you wouldn't have large cities and towns overtaken by one group of people, they would mix in with the local population and be dispersed fairly evenly. Otherwise you've just got seperate societies occupying the same country while mostly segregated. And this is generally speaking of course, no one is saying that my mate Yasir at work isn't going to come out with us, or I'm not going to lift weights with my mate Suffean, but broadly speaking there are areas that are predominantly Muslim, this wouldn't happen in a true Multicultural society.
 
Lets put it this way, is it more ridiculous to have a 'praise god' on the side of a bus coming up to a religious holiday or some of the hate and fear preaching going on in the thread about Muslims in general.

As for multiculturalism, I have seen many many Muslims integrate into western society perfectly well. More so than not actually. I expect eventually a higher proportion will integrate.
 
If Multiculturalism worked you wouldn't have large cities and towns overtaken by one group of people, they would mix in with the local population and be dispersed fairly evenly. Otherwise you've just got seperate societies occupying the same country while mostly segregated. And this is generally speaking of course, no one is saying that my mate Yasir at work isn't going to come out with us, or I'm not going to lift weights with my mate Suffean, but broadly speaking there are areas that are predominantly Muslim, this wouldn't happen in a true Multicultural society.

Spot on.
 
That's one person you've given as an example who's stated that, one person's opinion. Whether it is fact or not is irrelevant, you can choose to agree or disagree with him but it is not 'telling'.
Regardless of the subject matter whether something is fact or not is completely relevant, any sane person will side with something that is actually a fact, shirley.

What about the rise of other cultures? Jews, Hindus, Sikhs - or let's open it up, a rise in the number of Indians/Chinese/whatever, does that bother/worry you too?

None of the above are in the news bombing, stabbing, shooting or raping people are they?
 
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