High Court Ruling on School Holidays

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Pestilence said:
This is a very positive ruling.

Those saying "ah, a couple of days to save 1,000s on a hol abroad, where they'll learn more..." well... no. They won't.

Have more respect for your children. Encourage education against all and set them up so they can afford their own holidays, later in life, without restriction.
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It is positive in that this tax cannot be enforced where the child attends regularly.

They will learn more. I can give you anecdotal evidence that we went to Rome, the kids learned the other kids more about Rome than a school could ever hope to because they are not taking them to Rome. The Trevi Fountain looks nice in a book, its a lovely picture of the Pantheon but it is an experience that holds the most water when it comes to learning. Any good teacher will tell you that.

Respect your kids?

Y1 Sorry can't afford go away this year
Y2 Sorry can't afford go away this year
Y3 Cheaper holiday somewhere
Repeat

Respect? No love your kids. I want my kids to have life changing experiences:
Eating raw octopus
Chucking a coin in the Trevi Fountain
Standing inside the Vatican
Seeing a praying Mantis run up daddys arm onto his ear
Seeing a different seaside
Eating a genuine and authentic culturally associated meal

The Law should support as much experience as possible for children. It is how they learn best. You can forget visual, auditory, RW and kinaesthetic; its experience that trumps all of those things.

I love and respect my kids. Unless your loaded you wont have much opportunity to go when "allowed"... Remember this government wanted a social worker of a sort to be allocated to every child!
 
Out of curiosity - how does going away during school holidays stop any of the above?

Imagine every child takes off 1 month every school year? The disruption to the class is going to be huge. It's a backward decision.
 
The law states that you can't take your kids on holiday during term time. So some people decide they don't agree with the law and proceed to do whatever they like.

What next? I don't agree with 70mph speed limits, so I'll just drive at whatever speed I like and refuse to pay the fines?
 
String said:
The law states that you can't take your kids on holiday during term time. So some people decide they don't agree with the law and proceed to do whatever they like.

What next? I don't agree with 70mph speed limits, so I'll just drive at whatever speed I like and refuse to pay the fines?
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that's not what the law said though, it was about maintaining reasonable attendance.

and the high court decided that this was maintained in this case
 
The Running Man said:
Out of curiosity - how does going away during school holidays stop any of the above?

Imagine every child takes off 1 month every school year? The disruption to the class is going to be huge. It's a backward decision.
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this is what i was thinking. There is no feasible excuse for taking a child out of school during term times to go on holiday.

People can try and spin however they want.

Its all about saving money.

When I was growing up, my parents were poor. We never had holidays in different places around the world.

I still have a good education. 11 Gcse's grades a-c, 3 a levels grade A-b and a degree in business.

From that I run 3 businesses.

Now i can goto anywhere I want to experience all the culture I want.
 
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zophiel said:
this is what i was thinking. There is no feasible excuse for taking a child out of school during term times to go on holiday.

People can try and spin however they want.
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what about the last week of term before the summer holidays?

did you ever once in your school life do anything of any use in that week?
 
zophiel said:
this is what i was thinking. There is no feasible excuse for taking a child out of school during term times to go on holiday.

People can try and spin however they want.

Its all about saving money.
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According to you.

I want my kids to have an experience. You may not care about your kids and think school is the be all and end all. More fool you.

My kids have had some amazing experiences and are predicted good grades (currently B's and C's). They still have two years of learning left.

When they are in Y10 and 11 they wont be going away at all (Y11 only after all exams are concluded).

Saving money isn't really what its about its about NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TWO OR THREE HOLIDAYS FOR THE COST OF ONE.

Twisting the situation.
 
No where did I say the the be all and end all. I said there is nothing they cant learn by going on holiday during the holiday times they have. Of which there are plenty.

So again it is about saving money as you said. You want 3 holidays a year and not one.
 
zophiel said:
No where did I say the the be all and end all. I said there is nothing they cant learn by going on holiday during the holiday times they have. Of which there are plenty.

So again it is about saving money as you said. You want 3 holidays a year and not one.
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*facepalm*

No. I want one yearly holiday but I physically cannot afford to pay 3x the cost.

Its all fine and dandy these MPs preaching this, this parliament has more millionaires than any other. Paying £8-10k on a family holiday isn't a problem. That amount is a years wage
 
zophiel said:
No where did I say the the be all and end all. I said there is nothing they cant learn by going on holiday during the holiday times they have. Of which there are plenty.

So again it is about saving money as you said. You want 3 holidays a year and not one.
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Exactly, it boils down to saving money and where the parents want to go and pass off a lame excuse of education and experience for the children. Of course, there is nothing in the UK their children could go and see as there is no history or culture in this country so have to go to southern Spain etc.
 
RaohNS said:
*facepalm*

No. I want one yearly holiday but I physically cannot afford to pay 3x the cost.

Its all fine and dandy these MPs preaching this, this parliament has more millionaires than any other. Paying £8-10k on a family holiday isn't a problem. That amount is a years wage
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To be fair, that wasn't what you originally said so I don't know what the facepalm is all about.
 
Bear said:
Exactly, it boils down to saving money and where the parents want to go and pass off a lame excuse of education and experience for the children. Of course, there is nothing in the UK their children could go and see as there is no history or culture in this country so have to go to southern Spain etc.
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You must have had a reclusive childhood.
 
RaohNS said:
According to you

My kids have had some amazing experiences and are predicted good grades (currently B's and C's). They still have two years of learning left


Saving money isn't really what its about its about NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD TWO OR THREE HOLIDAYS FOR THE COST OF ONE.

Twisting the situation.
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Maybe if your kids had discipline and actually got good grades I.e A's and above they will grow up and get jobs where they can afford to take more than one holiday a year?
 
The Running Man said:
Maybe if your kids had discipline and actually got good grades I.e A's and above they will grow up and get jobs where they can afford to take more than one holiday a year?
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So the poor suffer what they must.

What a morally bankrupt view. Shouldn't you be getting back to your caviar?
 
Porridge for me.

But you can't seriously think, wow my kids are getting average grade so I am going to reward them with holidays? What kind of example are you setting?

Now if a kid is getting AAAAA grades and their parent takes them out for a few days to Eureka or something as a treat can I complain? No. For kids getting average grades how are you incentivising them to excel or even push their boundries?

You are teaching them that mediocrity os good and that frigging the system to save a few quid is standard procedure. Think about how you want them to bring up their kids?
 
The Running Man said:
Porridge for me.

But you can't seriously think, wow my kids are getting average grade so I am going to reward them with holidays? What kind of example are you setting?

Now if a kid is getting AAAAA grades and their parent takes them out for a few days to Eureka or something as a treat can I complain? No. For kids getting average grades how are you incentivising them to excel or even push their boundries?

You are teaching them that mediocrity os good and that frigging the system to save a few quid is standard procedure. Think about how you want them to bring up their kids?
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kbut what do they learn in that last week of term that will up thier grades?
 
That is grades now. Its actually above average for her year group.

So by your reckoning countries like Norway must do appallingly in education compared to other international countries then having plenty of family time... Oh wait
 
Tefal said:
what about the last week of term before the summer holidays?
did you ever once in your school life do anything of any use in that week?
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Exactly, nothing is ever achieved in the last week of any significance (Unless you're doing exams) so taking a few days out in this week is hardly a major issue as lessons mainly consist of filler work/games etc
 
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