High Court Ruling on School Holidays

Avenged7Fold · 16 May 2016 at 10:57

Wow people treating going abroad on Holiday during term time on a yearly basis as a right.

No, it is a luxury. If you cant afford it, then it should not be about whether your kids deserve a holiday, you should be thinking whether your kids deserve the security of having the extra bit of cash saved away for a rainy day. Go on holiday in the UK, there are plenty of beautiful places and save the money for when you need it or for the next holiday.

stopper · 16 May 2016 at 11:39

Amp34 said:
It's also a new law that is heavily disliked. It's not a law that has been around for decades.

It isn't even a law, it is "legislation" and it just gives the authorities to send us penalty charge notices, everyone seems to mistake them for "fines" which can only come from courts upon successful judgment.
The court judge (not magistrates) set a law, which within reason, overrules any legislation.
Government's (local or national) can not create "laws" or issue "fines", they can only create legislation (rules) and issue unlawful penalties, and that is why the high court ruled against it.

Deleted member 66701 · 16 May 2016 at 11:52

stopper said:
It isn't even a law, it is "legislation" and it just gives the authorities to send us penalty charge notices, everyone seems to mistake them for "fines" which can only come from courts upon successful judgment.
The court judge (not magistrates) set a law, which within reason, overrules any legislation.
Government's (local or national) can not create "laws" or issue "fines", they can only create legislation (rules) and issue unlawful penalties, and that is why the high court ruled against it.

Are you a "Freeman on the land"?

RaohNS · 16 May 2016 at 13:18

Freakbro said:
Are poor people forbidden to have a ferrari as well?

Strawman

This thread is getting trollworthy now. Its almost as though people are incapable of understanding that kids missing 5days of school is not going to affect their long term education.

Diagro · 16 May 2016 at 13:29

RaohNS said:
Strawman

This thread is getting trollworthy now. Its almost as though people are incapable of understanding that kids missing 5days of school is not going to affect their long term education.

It may not, But its a real pain for teachers who then need to catch a single child up to the rest of the class. This then makes the other kids suffer a little bit too.

do that 30 times and you have a problem.

wez130 · 16 May 2016 at 13:33

Avenged7Fold said:
Wow people treating going abroad on Holiday during term time on a yearly basis as a right.

No, it is a luxury. If you cant afford it, then it should not be about whether your kids deserve a holiday, you should be thinking whether your kids deserve the security of having the extra bit of cash saved away for a rainy day. Go on holiday in the UK, there are plenty of beautiful places and save the money for when you need it or for the next holiday.

It often works out more expensive to holiday in the UK though, especially at places like Haven or Butlins, once you factor in food and spending money, it makes much more sense to go to Majorca or somewhere on an all inclusive holiday, where you're at least (almost) guaranteed decent weather, unlike here in England

wez130 · 16 May 2016 at 13:34

Diagro said:
It may not, But its a real pain for teachers who then need to catch a single child up to the rest of the class. This then makes the other kids suffer a little bit too.

do that 30 times and you have a problem.

How on earth did they manage for the many, many years before the fine process started?

Sankari · 16 May 2016 at 13:36

It beggars belief that this even went to court in the first place.

cheesyboy · 16 May 2016 at 13:39

wez130 said:
It often works out more expensive to holiday in the UK though, especially at places like Haven or Butlins, once you factor in food and spending money, it makes much more sense to go to Majorca or somewhere on an all inclusive holiday, where you're at least (almost) guaranteed decent weather, unlike here in England

We took the kids to CentreParcs in Europe at easter because it was half the price of the UK ones even after factoring the extra travelling in (which is a bit of an adventure in itself).

We'll be going on a cheap camping holiday to Cornwall during the summer holiday. Only ~£300 for the week. Of course, I'll be using my ~ £1,000 of camping gear, my £350 roof box/bars, my large family estate car....

jimjamuk · 16 May 2016 at 13:47

Its got nothing to do with being poor - its about attitude. Those kids who want to get on will study and achieve even if they missed 2 weeks of school - those that cant be bothered aren't going to be affected by a week out and will continue on the path they have set out for themselves

Gornall · 16 May 2016 at 13:49

If you can't afford it, don't go IMO.

We earn way above the average as a household and we limit our holidays abroad to once every two years so we can have the holiday we want, and can afford.

It's not a god given right to go abroad, it's not even about rich/poor. It's about living within means and not at the expense of the time your child should be in school. It undermines the school, the teachers and any respect for the rules. It's no wonder kids grow up so entitled these days :rolleyes:

But hey...Benidorm is cheaper before the summer holidays.

Gornall · 16 May 2016 at 13:51

jimjamuk said:
Its got nothing to do with being poor - its about attitude. Those kids who want to get on will study and achieve even if they missed 2 weeks of school - those that cant be bothered aren't going to be affected by a week out and will continue on the path they have set out for themselves

Don't underestimate a child's ability to lose focus and mindset the second they come back and don't understand something. My fiancee sees it all the time, 'bright' kids feeling stupid can rock their personality somewhat.

cheesyboy · 16 May 2016 at 13:52

jimjamuk said:
Its got nothing to do with being poor - its about attitude. Those kids who want to get on will study and achieve even if they missed 2 weeks of school - those that cant be bothered aren't going to be affected by a week out and will continue on the path they have set out for themselves

And there's no evidence being poor correlates with crap performance in schools...

RDM · 16 May 2016 at 13:58

cheesyboy said:
And there's no evidence being poor correlates with crap performance in schools...

There is. That is the whole point of the pupil premium payments.

cheesyboy · 16 May 2016 at 13:59

RDM said:
There is. That is the whole point of the pupil premium payments.

RDM · 16 May 2016 at 14:00

cheesyboy said:

Sorry missed the sarcasm! Browsing during lunch whilst doing some marking!

Diagro · 16 May 2016 at 14:17

wez130 said:
How on earth did they manage for the many, many years before the fine process started?

They were introduced because of the detrimental effect it had on learning.

Teachers already have too much to do without adding more on because parents want to take their kids out without asking.

By the way, The wife and I work in schools and we are forced to go on holiday outside term time, it costs us nearly double each year.

We still go.

RaohNS · 16 May 2016 at 14:19

Diagro said:
It may not, But its a real pain for teachers who then need to catch a single child up to the rest of the class. This then makes the other kids suffer a little bit too.

do that 30 times and you have a problem.

One issue with your statement: What evidence do you have that kids are going to take a week off school consecutively? When I have a week off work does that mean I don't catch up with stuff I have missed or do I have to do it on my return?

You know the answer to this so why still talk bunkum?

RaohNS · 16 May 2016 at 14:20

jimjamuk said:
Its got nothing to do with being poor - its about attitude. Those kids who want to get on will study and achieve even if they missed 2 weeks of school - those that cant be bothered aren't going to be affected by a week out and will continue on the path they have set out for themselves

Quite possibly the most pertinent comment in the entire thread.

Chavs will be chavs, other kids will continue to aspire

Diagro · 16 May 2016 at 14:22

RaohNS said:
One issue with your statement: What evidence do you have that kids are going to take a week off school consecutively? When I have a week off work does that mean I don't catch up with stuff I have missed or do I have to do it on my return?

You know the answer to this so why still talk bunkum?

What?

It doesn't matter when they take it off, each child would then need to have extra work planned for them to catch up, extra 1 on 1 sessions slotted in too. (depending on age).

if you have many students taking time off various times of the year the teachers have to do this extra work over and over again. Which leads to tired teachers, teachers who due to stress from higher up end up going on the sick due to stress, students who suffer due to little tommy needs extra 1 on 1 help due to being away for two weeks.

High Court Ruling on School Holidays

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