People have short memories, it took the government a good number of days to retake control of London. I don't live in London anymore but I work with people who do - they were very, very worried because they had no means of defending themselves or their households against the gangs of thugs.
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People have short memories, it took the government a good number of days to retake control of London. I don't live in London anymore but I work with people who do - they were very, very worried because they had no means of defending themselves or their households against the gangs of thugs.
If you wanted to gain more exposure for your act then you'd phone it in as an ISIS operation, I just don't think it's a well supported claim. Obviously anyone can commit an atrocity and claim they were doing it for ISIS but without any real links (discovered so far) to that group we'd need to evaluate how legitimate that claim is.
Unfortunately the subject is an emotive one and I don't think the US is an any real hurry to try and disprove anybody claiming an ISIS link - coming out and saying it on a 911 tape that can be replayed on news channels across the nation is doing their work for them.
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Wait if he's not law abiding how did he get all those legal certificates to let him carry those guns and buy them?
He himself claimed it was religiously motivated. You can't argue with that. He said it was. That was his stated purpose. If he had of said he is doing it for the giraffes in Africa, nobody would question his motive but again omg religion of peace.
We aren't talking about Christian shootings though are we? We are talking about a psychotic religious nutcase killing in the name of Allah. ISIS have even said he is one of theirs. You really have no comeback to argue the toss on this one.
If he hadn't been able to get hold of firearms legally, do you think that would have stopped him? Especially that the US has a porous border with Mexico that is controlled by a criminal gang (MS-13).
On the evidence we have, his close family say he wasn't religious, he claimed it was for ISIS halfway through the event, and ISIS claimed it was them because why wouldn't they? I am sure more evidence will come out and answer the questions about this, but the post you've been replying to was about Sky trying to present a take on events that wasn't supportable by what was known at the time they did it, and then to somehow do everything they could to paint it as not a homophobic attack.
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I reckon this is true. ISIS will accept responsibility for absolutely anything just because it contributes to their cause. I understand why the guy's father say it's nothing to do with religion, but I'm not convinced about that either.
My suspicion, he was a mentally unwell religious man who was tipped over the edge.
Onion is on point, as usual: '"No Way To Prevent This," Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.'
i dunno reckon if he shot up a gay club saying it was for the giraffes in africa there would be a lot of people questioning his motives
He was under investigation by the FBI though for terror related support 
Its a bit like the position when I was at school every single Asian lad had a picture of bin Laden in their day books and were allowed to be very open about it. We even had one girl do her GCSE speaking and listening exam on AQ and glorifying it and its aims.
By that reckoning there is no evidence they supported terrorism despite all evidence proving the contrary. They may not have gone out and done it or plan to (despite several being arrested at a later point for terror related materials) commit terrorist activities. The fact is they supported it. He did too. Thus it becomes an Islamic religious issue.
Its a bit like the position when I was at school every single Asian lad had a picture of bin Laden in their day books and were allowed to be very open about it. We even had one girl do her GCSE speaking and listening exam on AQ and glorifying it and its aims.
By that reckoning there is no evidence they supported terrorism despite all evidence proving the contrary. They may not have gone out and done it or plan to (despite several being arrested at a later point for terror related materials) commit terrorist activities. The fact is they supported it. He did too. Thus it becomes an Islamic religious issue.
I don't think anyone believes that this guy was in direct contact with a wide ISIS network. But does it matter?
If he has seen the way ISIS deal with homosexuals in the middle east and is a supporter and sympathiser of violent action, is there much difference?
Would we say an ultra left wing Marxist who claims to be a communist cannot be one because he grew up in a conservative society and has no official links to a socialist organisation?
Lol. But you get my drift.
Whats a more interesting question is why when there is a link to Islam there is never any questioning of thier mental health?
If this had been a white dude everyone would be trying to make a diagnosis.
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The mentality is beyond words to be honest.
It's almost as though they're routinely giving knives to small children, and when they end up getting hurt the response is - we can't stop it, these things just happen! we're powerless to stop it.
Hmmm. Yes and no. Its just that the earliest evidence points to him being on a watch list. His mental health is a side issue. He is a killer, just like these white, dark and black shooters.
Except even the FBI are saying don't jump to conclusions about his motives.
You need to watch the film 12 Angry Men to realise sometimes the most obvious answer isn't always correct.
And this doesn't mean I am just trying to deflect from any possible motives but am waiting for the officials to do their investigations first rather than jump to conclusions based on ever changing news reports
At the moment it seems just as likely he was a solo operator who was self radicalised who IS had never heard of rather than a sleeper cell planted working for and supported by IS.
And was his motivation against the American people in response to the religous war being perpertrated by militant Jihadis or was this just a gay hate crime?
Quite a difference to be fair, as the self radicalised person is the worse scenario as it's going to be virtually impossible to discover and stop people like that.
You realise that Evang's link is The Onion? A satire news website? You're not the only one to be caught out I guess but since you laughed at me further up the page - "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA".