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glenimp617 · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:09

Caged said:
What policies of his would have mitigated this attack?

You're missing the point

Idiots vote for idiots, and he'll spin this to his advantage

Remember, gun sales go up after a mass shooting and Trump supports guns

CREATIVE!11 · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:13

scorza said:
People have short memories, it took the government a good number of days to retake control of London. I don't live in London anymore but I work with people who do - they were very, very worried because they had no means of defending themselves or their households against the gangs of thugs.

Oh great...... so arming everyone would solve that would it? the thugs would have guns too you know, nothing would change.

They'd have guns, you'd have guns. You all have a greater chance of killing each other now. Progress.

scorza · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:17

CREATIVE!11 said:
Oh great...... so arming everyone would solve that would it? the thugs would have guns too you know, nothing would change.

They'd have guns, you'd have guns. You all have a greater chance of killing each other now. Progress.

I don't support arming everyone. The thugs already have guns - someone got shot and killed during the London riots. The perps have got away with it.

glenimp617 · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:18

CREATIVE!11 said:
Oh great...... so arming everyone would solve that would it? the thugs would have guns too you know, nothing would change.

They'd have guns, you'd have guns. You all have a greater chance of killing each other now. Progress.

The American way

Terminal_Boy · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:27

insane200 said:
The FBI had spoken to this guy 2/3 times and he was still able to do this

The 7/7 bombers had been on MI5 watch lists too.

Em3bbs · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:28

insane200 said:
The FBI had spoken to this guy 2/3 times and he was still able to do this

They probably speak to thousands and thousands of people 2/3 times. They don't have the resources to follow every single one of them around 24/7.

Tunney · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:39

scorza said:
I don't support arming everyone. The thugs already have guns - someone got shot and killed during the London riots. The perps have got away with it.

The riots were sparked by the shooting of Mark Duggan. Arming everyone, including more police, isn't the solution.

platypus · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:41

Em3bbs said:
They probably speak to thousands and thousands of people 2/3 times. They don't have the resources to follow every single one of them around 24/7.

If reports are to be believed though he was on an FBI watchlist. Now I'm going to assume this means that the FBI are not sat in a florist van constantly watching him, rather that he's on a database somewhere.

Now at what point do you think it would be a good idea to flag an (automated) warning about him? Is it when issuing his firearm licence, when issuing his concealed weapon permit, perhaps when he bought the handgun, or perhaps only at the assault rifle purchase?

Chris Wilson · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:42

Tunney said:
The riots were sparked by the shooting of Mark Duggan. Arming everyone, including more police, isn't the solution.

I'd bet 95% of the rioters had never even heard of him....

Pigeon_Killer · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:43

insane200 said:
The FBI had spoken to this guy 2/3 times and he was still able to do this

Obama said:
I just came from a meeting today in the Situation Room in which I’ve got people who we know have been on ISIL websites, living here in the United States, U.S. citizens, and we’re allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association, I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun. This is somebody who is a known ISIL sympathizer. And if he wants to walk into a gun store or a gun show right now and buy as many weapons and ammo as he can, nothing is prohibiting him from doing that, even though the FBI knows who that person is.

Guns for everyone.

antijoke · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:44

^ Yeah, that's some BS right there. What a mess.

Werewolf · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:45

RoboCod said:
So he was apparently bi polar and with a history of aggression.

And once again the "extremist" has a history of mental illness, and once again an American spree killer with legally held guns has a history of mental illness.
I'm seeing a pattern to the American spree killers that suggests that religion has very little to do with it.
Pretty much all of the spree killers have made claims about it being for one reason or another, but most of them have had issues with mental health, or previous violence.

I believe the UK police/security services did a study recently into the various UK extremists who have gone to join ISIS, or committed acts of violence and the common factor that stood out more than the fact they were supposedly Muslim, as that most were known to have mental health issues and not devout Muslims* prior to the acts that brought them to the public attention, or were criminals before they converted.

I would like to say I'm shocked this sensless killing, but it's reached the point where it feels like the only shock is the sheer number of deaths, such events are becoming almost routine. My thoughts are with the families, and victims for what little that matters.

*a history of drinking, taking drugs, sex outside of marriage etc..

RaohNS · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:46

Thanks Obama

scorza · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:55

Tunney said:
The riots were sparked by the shooting of Mark Duggan. Arming everyone, including more police, isn't the solution.

I wasn't thinking of him - someone else got shot and killed during the riots. In Croydon I think. Like I said some people have short memories when it suits them.

krooton · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:56

Chris Wilson said:
I'd bet 95% of the rioters had never even heard of him....

Probably true, but also moot, it was what sparked it, regardless of the fact that there were so many kindling scumbags readily available to continue to fan it.

krooton · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:58

scorza said:
I wasn't thinking of him - someone else got shot and killed during the riots. In Croydon I think. Like I said some people have short memories when it suits them.

And how would more people being armed have prevented that exactly?

The fact that pretty much the only riots this side of 2000 resulted in a single gun-related fatality actual speaks volumes for how right we have it with our gun laws.

Werewolf · 13 Jun 2016 at 13:59

RaohNS said:
Thanks Obama

What for?

He's tried and tried to do things to protect the public from people who are known to be high risk getting guns, but the NRA and (mainly) republicans have blocked every single attempt.

There isn't much the President can do about most things due to the U.S. legal framework and constitution without the assent of congress, at least not for any length of time.

As has been posted above, even people who are deemed high enough risk to be on the "no fly list" are able to get as many guns as they want without any issues.

Orionaut · 13 Jun 2016 at 14:10

scorza said:
I wasn't thinking of him - someone else got shot and killed during the riots. In Croydon I think. Like I said some people have short memories when it suits them.

As I recall, there were pot shots taken at police helicopters etc too. It is a wonder more people were not killed!

Washout · 13 Jun 2016 at 14:15

Feel for Obama, it's the one huge regret he's had every since all those kids were killed.
Really is ridiculous, farcical even that it can't even be discussed in congress.

Sad thing is that statement will probably push up firearm sales as people will be worried about other whackjobs who can pickup an ar15 or other similar weapons with a wait time of... 0 days.

timmeh · 13 Jun 2016 at 14:21

https://www.facebook.com/newshour/videos/10154247237078675/

Sorry for the Facebook link but it's a good video of Obama talking about how common sense gun laws are blocked by the NRA, etc. They can put someone on a no fly list but the NRA won't allow them to stop them from buying guns.