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Well it's pointless trying to discuss a topic where you have to counter unlimited speculation of what might have happened. You're right, he could have been watching loads of propaganda, maybe the FBI forgot to check his computers, they should get on that.
I never accused anyone of saying the investigation should be wrapped up and not investigate it at all. My point throughout has been that desperately trying to make it an ISIS attack clouds the judgement that could be used in looking at the genuine root causes of this and other similar atrocities.
I hope that clears it up.
not realy, as you could say that for any isis attack. that the orot cause is something else like mental illness.
you have to accept that if he sees himself as isis then that says something
and that isis have asked for such attacks also says something.
but you keep ignoring that and telling yourself it had nothing to do with it,
and as for your fbi comment lol. all theyv'e said is they've found no direct link with isis directing this. Not that he hasn't been doing anything else or influenced etc.
you have to accept that if he sees himself as isis then that says something
and that isis have asked for such attacks also says something.
but you keep ignoring that and telling yourself it had nothing to do with it,
and as for your fbi comment lol. all theyv'e said is they've found no direct link with isis directing this. Not that he hasn't been doing anything else or influenced etc.
When are the world leaders going to stand up and put an end to this, seeing that its now becoming the monthly norm?????. OR is it just Donald Trump standing up and doing all the talking and getting beat down for saying what others are afraid to say so. As much of a douche he is, he does have a very valid point. Heck even 2 out of 3 BRITISH Muslims say they wouldn't report a fellow Muslim if they knew he had connections with terrorist sympathizers.
Now if this was 1 out of 1000, the left would have valid reason to say, Muslim monitoring / accusing is unfair and unjust... But as it stands, & correct me if i'm wrong, but those numbers mean there's 67% of British Muslims willing to be an accessory to murder in some form or another, & that doesn't make them very nice people to live alongside in society. If you knew someone who's talking about killing or maiming someone, i'm fairly sure, you'd distance yourself fairly quickly and warn others (preferably the authorities) Yet in the Muslim community that's simply not happening. Yep feel bad for the 33% who are probably standup people and just want to get on with their lives not harming people like the most of us do. Shame that number isn't much higher, in which case i wouldn't be saying what i'm about to say, however 2 out of 3, that's a pretty alarming number. I'm sure the stats get far worse when you leave the tolerance of the British Isles.
Problem is, and i'll even probably get a warning for this. everyone is too chicken and say something, just in-case they get labelled as a racist or Islamophobic bigot. England more-so than the US.
It needs to end. Personally i'd be up for banning the religion and so what if it upsets people. Lets be honest all religion is BS anyway, so lets start promoting that & banning it if it causes harm. If you want to be a nun praying to god everynight, and not chopping off heads or blowing crap up, then feel free, go ahead, but when the stats lead to sympathising with harming society, then eventually we'll have no choice but to kill it dead in its tracks, close down the mosques, make it all go away. Like Nazism was completely shutdown. Despite 150million possibly more, followers. That got shutdown, so why can't islam? Ok so one is a religion and the other an ideology, but at the end of the day, both are the same in that they're simply brainwashing people into doing things that wouldn't of otherwise happened had they not followed that particular religion or ideology. Seeing that 'this religion' seems to bring a lot more harm then good then end it.. Shame i know that's never going to happen, cos its a flipping religion, rather than an ideology of hatred. What's the other option? just to turn a blind eye and allow the killing to go on?
Now if this was 1 out of 1000, the left would have valid reason to say, Muslim monitoring / accusing is unfair and unjust... But as it stands, & correct me if i'm wrong, but those numbers mean there's 67% of British Muslims willing to be an accessory to murder in some form or another, & that doesn't make them very nice people to live alongside in society. If you knew someone who's talking about killing or maiming someone, i'm fairly sure, you'd distance yourself fairly quickly and warn others (preferably the authorities) Yet in the Muslim community that's simply not happening. Yep feel bad for the 33% who are probably standup people and just want to get on with their lives not harming people like the most of us do. Shame that number isn't much higher, in which case i wouldn't be saying what i'm about to say, however 2 out of 3, that's a pretty alarming number. I'm sure the stats get far worse when you leave the tolerance of the British Isles.
Problem is, and i'll even probably get a warning for this. everyone is too chicken and say something, just in-case they get labelled as a racist or Islamophobic bigot. England more-so than the US.
It needs to end. Personally i'd be up for banning the religion and so what if it upsets people. Lets be honest all religion is BS anyway, so lets start promoting that & banning it if it causes harm. If you want to be a nun praying to god everynight, and not chopping off heads or blowing crap up, then feel free, go ahead, but when the stats lead to sympathising with harming society, then eventually we'll have no choice but to kill it dead in its tracks, close down the mosques, make it all go away. Like Nazism was completely shutdown. Despite 150million possibly more, followers. That got shutdown, so why can't islam? Ok so one is a religion and the other an ideology, but at the end of the day, both are the same in that they're simply brainwashing people into doing things that wouldn't of otherwise happened had they not followed that particular religion or ideology. Seeing that 'this religion' seems to bring a lot more harm then good then end it.. Shame i know that's never going to happen, cos its a flipping religion, rather than an ideology of hatred. What's the other option? just to turn a blind eye and allow the killing to go on?
Did you watch trumps speech, he didn't hold back, says it as he sees it and what millions think, fair play to the man.
Great post and i have got my popcorn ready
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How about if the world leaders u are talking about just keep their bloody noses out of other countries including Muslim countries?? Perhaps that would solve a lot of issues?? Stop raping and pillaging those countries for their resources. No wonder they are ****ed off at th west especially when you fly drones and kill hundreds and thousands of innocent people.
Oh so sorry that's collateral damage isn't it?? So it's perfectly fine to carry on indiscriminately killing people by trying to stop the terrorists.
Perhaps it's time the west stood up and took responsibility for their actions??
As for your idea of banning religion?? Well that would put an end to democracy but of course all these desperate attempts hat you mention will do sweet FA in the fight against the terrorists.
Oh so sorry that's collateral damage isn't it?? So it's perfectly fine to carry on indiscriminately killing people by trying to stop the terrorists.
Perhaps it's time the west stood up and took responsibility for their actions??
As for your idea of banning religion?? Well that would put an end to democracy but of course all these desperate attempts hat you mention will do sweet FA in the fight against the terrorists.
We are human and have the ability to change anything we really want too. How much longer can we actually live in a democracy with all this going on anyway ?
I just watched his speech.
My opinion is that what happened in Orlando is basically the biggest Christmas present Donald Trump could ever have prayed for, and what I'm saying there isn't new or original - many people were worried that if there was a terror attack on US soil, Trump would immediately jump right onto it and politicise it for his own campaign - which is exactly what he's doing, albeit rather unashamedly.
Trump does not see what millions think, Trump is playing a clever, risky political game - which involves riding the crest of fear that's been consuming the American people for at least the last decade, as a businessman he's doing the one thing he knows how to do, invest and place a bet - if the bet pays off he gets the white house.
He's got the interests of absolutely nobody at heart, he's gunning for president and will say anything to bolster his campaign.
They expect one of us in the wreckage brother.
Pretty obvious mate, if you ban the thinking that leads to violence then the violence goes away. What's not to get?
We all know that.
Well millions will be voting for him, so they must think he is doing a good job on their part.
I don't like the guy, but he does say what a lot of others high up won't say even if they do have the same opinion as him.
He has definitely been watching propergander no proof whatsoever the gander was in any way made up.
He's telling frightened fools, what frightened fools want to hear, and not much else.
As I say - it's a political gamble, it's pretty daring and I wouldn't for one moment call Donald Trump an idiot, I think him and his campaign managers are very clever, what they're doing is highly innovative and seems to be working.
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