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no, you are talking rubbish.

no evidence? so you ignore the self declared allegiance call to 999 then,

and no, he probably does have mental health issues, just like most of isis. again that does not stop him seeing himself as isis.

nd no, we are not missing the point of the attack, only you are, by denying what he said.
like everything in life, it is complicated and there will be any factors.


I dont think most of isis have mentla health issues.

Most are just follwoing what they were taught as children.

And many will simply be a case of "**** it better to be the boot than the bug"
 
You've got millions of armed people, versus the military who are rather pro second amendment, basically the same people, they aren't going to move on mass and shoot their own.


Of course they will.


So will most of the population.


The only time in recent histroy i can think of a democracy turning to a dictatorship is the rise of nazism in germany.


That was of course by popular approval, these brave patriots fighting against a dictatorial government would be a minority and would be swiftly dispatched by whatever the equivilent of the brownshirts are in that regolution (or lets face it most of the hill billy ****ers would be the ones backing the new dictatorship and rounding up whatever minority was being blamed)


A eveil dictatorship isnt suddenly going to take over against popular opinion.
 
ban harmful toxic religions that conceals or even promotes attacks on innocents. Christianity would be having the same if it wasn't 1 in 1000 rather than 33%

A. Define the harmful toxic religions, without being subjective/bias (you can't)
B. Exactly how do you enforce the ban the world over? (as it's a world wide)

Your suggestion is too short sighted and simply doesn't work.
 
Of course they will.


So will most of the population.


The only time in recent histroy i can think of a democracy turning to a dictatorship is the rise of nazism in germany.


That was of course by popular approval, these brave patriots fighting against a dictatorial government would be a minority and would be swiftly dispatched by whatever the equivilent of the brownshirts are in that regolution (or lets face it most of the hill billy ****ers would be the ones backing the new dictatorship and rounding up whatever minority was being blamed)


A eveil dictatorship isnt suddenly going to take over against popular opinion.

They weren't a minority in the past. Now it wouldn't even be a case of the people vs a largely foreign army, it would be the army shooting their own friends and family, I can't see that happening.
 
How about if the world leaders u are talking about just keep their bloody noses out of other countries including Muslim countries?? Perhaps that would solve a lot of issues??

What about all the muslims that are being killed by their own? Is that the West's fault as well?
 
A. Define the harmful toxic religions, without being subjective/bias (you can't)
B. Exactly how do you enforce the ban the world over? (as it's a world wide)

Your suggestion is too short sighted and simply doesn't work.

You're obviously not going to ban Islam in Islamic countries, but no reason why you can say sorry but due to acts of terrorism, Islam is no longer allowed to be practiced in the Western Countries, until at least it can prove to us all (that being the civilized world), that its done with secretly supporting terrorism. Which if the stats show that the majority do, then it just shouldn't be welcomed. We do not see Judaism, or Buddhists carrying out acts of terror. The long list of Islamic terror on the other hand, is pretty damming.

Take any pew poll, or survey, or even speak to a few Muslims yourself, you don't have to poke very hard for their true feelings to come out.

Again i feel sorry for the Muslims that just want to get on with their lives and not want any part of terrorism, unfortunately tho their brothers are more for it than against it. If praying is that important to them, then they should snitch on the sympathizers.
 
You're obviously not going to ban Islam in Islamic countries, but no reason why you can say sorry but due to acts of terrorism, Islam is no longer allowed to be practiced in the Western Countries, until at least it can prove to us all (that being the civilized world), that its done with secretly supporting terrorism. Which if the stats show that the majority do, then it just shouldn't be welcomed. We do not see Judaism, or Buddhists carrying out acts of terror. The long list of Islamic terror on the other hand, is pretty damming.

Take any pew poll, or survey, or even speak to a few Muslims yourself, you don't have to poke very hard for their true feelings to come out.

Again i feel sorry for the Muslims that just want to get on with their lives and not want any part of terrorism, unfortunately tho their brothers are more for it than against it. If praying is that important to them, then they should snitch on the sympathizers.

Explain how we enforce your proposed thought control and how it will have any positive effect despite only being enforceable in non Islamic countries, as you have already conceded.
 
Explain how we enforce your proposed thought control and how it will have any positive effect despite only being enforceable in non Islamic countries, as you have already conceded.

Didn't say it was going to be easy. Shut down Mosques under the grounds that they preach terror. Same way we'd shut down any gatherings promoting Nazism The alternative is sit back and watch society go down the pan as we get attacked on a monthly basis.

We've tried accepting and welcoming people of different faiths and they still are if they're not going to promote terrorism, but as for Islam, it simply isn't working.
 
Didn't say it was going to be easy. Shut down Mosques under the grounds that they preach terror. Same way we'd shut down any gatherings promoting Nazism The alternative is sit back and watch society go down the pan as we get attacked on a monthly basis.

I'd agree with you, if it was the case that we were constantly under attack by Muslims, but it quite simply isn't the case.

In the last 10 years, here in the UK there's been 6 successful attacks with a death toll of 2 (3 if you include one of the terrorists)

Even in the USA, if you take into account what happened yesterday - there are 3.3 Million Muslims living there, in the last 10 years the total number killed by a Muslim is about 110 - more people are killed by their own pets, in the same time period, than they are Islamic terrorism.

Banning them and their religion just doesn't seem like it would really help very much.
 
So just to divert attention away from discussion on how to stop people thinking certain things for a second, what are the rules in Orlando regarding fire exits in night clubs? Because the BBC are showing them having to blow holes in walls to get to people, and people not being able to get off the patio area because of the fence.
 
So just to divert attention away from discussion on how to stop people thinking certain things for a second, what are the rules in Orlando regarding fire exits in night clubs? Because the BBC are showing them having to blow holes in walls to get to people, and people not being able to get off the patio area because of the fence.

I *think* that was the SWAT team blowing a hole in the wall, or driving a vehicle into a wall in order to get to the hostages. From what I read, there was some evidence that the killer had started talking about using a bomb or explosive, and rather than wait - they decided to move in, and I *think* most of the hostages were held up in a bathroom or something.
 
My Facebook feed is full of people rushing to disassociate the gunman from Islam. Seems to happen every time a muslim does something awful - "oh, he wasn't a true muslim, no true muslim would be violent". It's doing my head in. When the perpetrator basically does everything short of yelling "I'm about to murder you because Islam", why do all the apologists come crawling out of the woodwork?

Yes, everyone knows it's not ALL muslims. Nobody is saying it's all muslims. But pretending there isn't a problem helps no-one.
 
They weren't a minority in the past. Now it wouldn't even be a case of the people vs a largely foreign army, it would be the army shooting their own friends and family, I can't see that happening.

No those against the govenrment would be a minority as most of the armed citizens would be in favour of the new government.

Just like the german population was in favour of the nazis.

And it wouldn't be thier friends and family would it, modt of these people would likley make up a brownshirt style malitia for the govenrment.


And tbe rest would simply keep their heads down.

You're insane if you think all these idiots are going to enter into a guerrilla war.


Oh and even the dumbest comander would use out of state troops for pacification.
 
Not if this "white dude" had been investigated for association with ideologies like the KKK, and upon starting his massacre in a black's only club phoned the police and said this is dedicated to the KKK.

People would accept he hated blacks and supported the KKK....

Didnt we just have a white dude shoot up a balck church?


Pretty sure everyone spent the time deciding what mental illness he had.
 
Didn't say it was going to be easy. Shut down Mosques under the grounds that they preach terror. Same way we'd shut down any gatherings promoting Nazism The alternative is sit back and watch society go down the pan as we get attacked on a monthly basis.

We've tried accepting and welcoming people of different faiths and they still are if they're not going to promote terrorism, but as for Islam, it simply isn't working.

Yet neo naziism exists and grows today.

I assume you propose telling millions of practicing Muslims that they must now stop practising or face legal punishment. Do you really expect them all to say "oh OK, I don't believe in God anymore" and just stop being Muslim? For many this is their life.

All your proposal would do is push the majority, normal, law abiding Muslim populace underground. If anything you'd create more extremist sympathisers, as they feel that they are being persecuted by their government simply because of their faith.

You fail to understand the route cause of the issue and this is why you belive in an incorrect and ultimately ludicrous resolution. As Caged alludes, you're proposing telling people how to think, that's just silly.
 
No those against the govenrment would be a minority as most of the armed citizens would be in favour of the new government.

What you basing that on though?

I'm not sure why you are comparing the US to 1930s Germany, I don't see them as similar in any way.
 
You're obviously not going to ban Islam in Islamic countries, but no reason why you can say sorry but due to acts of terrorism, Islam is no longer allowed to be practiced in the Western Countries, until at least it can prove to us all (that being the civilized world), that its done with secretly supporting terrorism. Which if the stats show that the majority do, then it just shouldn't be welcomed. We do not see Judaism, or Buddhists carrying out acts of terror. The long list of Islamic terror on the other hand, is pretty damming.

Take any pew poll, or survey, or even speak to a few Muslims yourself, you don't have to poke very hard for their true feelings to come out.

Again i feel sorry for the Muslims that just want to get on with their lives and not want any part of terrorism, unfortunately tho their brothers are more for it than against it. If praying is that important to them, then they should snitch on the sympathizers.

Can we ban Americans too, you know, because they keep shooting innocent people and seem to condone mass shootings by not doing something about stopping any mentally challenged lunatic buying assault rifles....
 
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