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Still no 1080's...

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I've been hanging on for the Zotac 1080 AMP, I'd even take an SC at this point but no one has any still.

Anyhow, I have been looking at some benchmarks, and I notice that 980TI isn't that much slower, perhaps 15-20% at best.

I noticed that OCUK have x2 980TI AMP's in stock. That would cost me £140 more than the 1080 Amp Extreme, and I would imagine would give more than 22% performance increase over the 1080 for the price.

I use Nvidia surround atm and 2x780 Amp's, They push enough pixels and will still do three screen on Ultra settings with AA etc depending on title. But in the more RAM hungry games now like tomb raider, witcher 3 and Division, it makes for a laggy experience on 3 screens so for those I go back to one which is annoying. I also use a Rift CV1, 80% of the games and demos I have tried have worked flawlessly with SLI at a rock solid 90FPS. So I am not too concerned about SLI being an issue with VR.

Anyhow, just wanted your thoughts on holding out for a 1080 VS moving from my old 780 SLI setup to a 980TI SLI setup with twice the VRAM and nearly twice the power (I believe a 980TI is 60%+ more powerful than a 780).


Thanks!
 
Maybe, but again they are all out of stock and I really want an upgrade pretty much yesterday. These 780's have done me well for three years, but there are some games I am not even playing at the moment as they just can't handle three screens (have held off on Witcher 3 after a very short stint on one screen).

The 1070's appear to be out of stock everywhere too, and who knows when the decent ones will come in. Add to that the aftermarket ones average price seems to be £450+, that's still a large bump in price for not a lot over the 980ti.

I've seen some interesting benches of OC'd 980TI's with 6GB Vram @ 4k which looks promising - doesn't seem that the 6GB holds it back on that resolution.
 
GTX 1080 Vs GTX 980 TI SLI Vs GTX 980 SLI Tomb Raider 1440p Frame Rate Comparison




GTX 1080 Vs GTX 980 TI OC Assassin's Creed Unity 1080p Ultra Settings Frame Rate Comparison


 
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Purgatory said:
GTX 1080 Vs GTX 980 TI SLI Vs GTX 980 SLI Tomb Raider 1440p Frame Rate Comparison




GTX 1080 Vs GTX 980 TI OC Assassin's Creed Unity 1080p Ultra Settings Frame Rate Comparison


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Hmmm, I wonder if the 480 will effect prices? I can't see it too much though, Nvidia like to milk their consumers for all they can, and TBH, we all know that Nvidia always has the edge in gaming even if AMD have more powerful hardware due to hardware support and drivers.

Those benches demonstrate the 980TI's kill the 1080, although I would expect that, it's the higher resolution ones that should close the gap a little, but the 980TI's should still be a significant boost.
 
2 980Tis will kill the 1080.

Same will apply to 2 480s that will be sold at fraction of the costs of a 1080.
If you do not have gsync monitor, I will advice you to hold 10 days until we see the RX480.
Also AMD cards are supported with drivers for years, and good example see the performance of the 290X today, compared to when it came out, and the relative performance of the 780/Ti also. (which tank)
Let alone the Titan Blacks (who forgot these?)
 
980ti or 1070 in sli vs a single 1080 is entirely going to depend on the game. Those with good sli scaling will see the two cards win out, but in other cases the 1080 may be around 20% faster.
 
All I see in those vids is a new GPU from Nvidia relying on nothing but clock speed increases to deliver higher performance.

Not impressed with Pascal TBH, it's nothing but Maxwell on a 14nm die.
 
I haven't heard much about the 480's, perhaps I should take another read, I thought they wouldn't be on par with the Nvidia offering and they were going for lower power consumption, cheaper price as their market.

I'll do some reading up.

It's frustrating as I've been wanting to upgrade the 780's for a bit now, have been holding out for pascal and was set on a 1080 then perhaps SLI later if it didn't meet my expectations. But the low stock, lack of aftermarket options available seem to be dragging on for me. Now looking at the potential of getting two 980TI's for not a lot more than the 1080 (and being immediately available) is tempting me. I guess I'd be back to have a power hungry personal heater in my room though.

I guess I could wait until the end of the month and see where things lie. I know that is probably the sensible option, but I am just running short on patience atm.
 
Cooper said:
All I see in those vids is a new GPU from Nvidia relying on nothing but clock speed increases to deliver higher performance.

Not impressed with Pascal TBH, it's nothing but Maxwell on a 14nm die.
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As far as DX11 games go it is little more than Maxwell on a 16nm finfet process - the differences are more applicable to DX12/Vulkan heavy stuff.
 
Cooper said:
All I see in those vids is a new GPU from Nvidia relying on nothing but clock speed increases to deliver higher performance.

Not impressed with Pascal TBH, it's nothing but Maxwell on a 14nm die.
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To be fair I thought the same, Maxwell @ the same speed probably performs better. Remember the K1ngP1N @ over 2ghz?

All they seem to have done is produce another card that is more capable over running @ a faster clock speed.
 
It's unreasonable to expect the first generation cards of a brand new node to be so superior to its predecessor in terms of architecture. Nevertheless, the 1080 does use less Cuda cores than the 980ti.

As for 2x 480s, forget it. You need to stay away from crossfire. Don't take mine or anyone else's word for it. Go to the AMD threads to see what AMD users themselves say about crossfire. There's an almost unanimous concensus on how terrible it is. In fact, the 480 Polaris thread alone should be sufficient in deterring a sensible person. Remember, the key is to look for people who actually have crossfire setups today.
 
Mayh3M said:
It's unreasonable to expect the first generation cards of a brand new node to be so superior to its predecessor in terms of architecture. Nevertheless, the 1080 does use less Cuda cores than the 980ti.
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It used to be the way - nvidia 7000 series to 8000 series saw a move from fixed function to unified shader architecture and a massive jump in performance, then later on you had the move from DX9 to cards supporting DX10 and likewise a big jump in performance from the first generation on the new architecture. It is only really with the first generation Kepler and now even more with first generation Pascal we've seen a move away from the traditional trend.
 
Rroff said:
It used to be the way - nvidia 7000 series to 8000 series saw a move from fixed function to unified shader architecture and a massive jump in performance, then later on you had the move from DX9 to cards supporting DX10 and likewise a big jump in performance from the first generation on the new architecture. It is only really with the first generation Kepler and now even more with first generation Pascal we've seen a move away from the traditional trend.
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Interesting, didn't know this. So was it the case that a lower end 8000 series card was much more powerful than a high end 7000 series card?

We also shouldn't forget that technically the 980 is the comparable card to the 1080, and there's almost a doubling of performance there.
 
So what do you guys think on pricing of 980ti's? Will they drop anymore or is now a good time to buy? I mean 12 months ago a 420 card would have been 600 right?
 
Mayh3M said:
As for 2x 480s, forget it. You need to stay away from crossfire. Don't take mine or anyone else's word for it. Go to the AMD threads to see what AMD users themselves say about crossfire. There's an almost unanimous concensus on how terrible it is. In fact, the 480 Polaris thread alone should be sufficient in deterring a sensible person. Remember, the key is to look for people who actually have crossfire setups today.
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As an ex CrossFire user, mgpu went down hill a while ago now, but Sli isn't any better, perhaps they are just less vocal.

There is a large amount of ex SLi users that won't touch it anymore either and I was warded off it from a very reliable source that chucked it.

^
Please don't take that as an us v them post, just laying it bare.
 
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