Some might be prepared to take it. I only know 1 leave voter and he already admitted it was a mistake and given a second chance he'd not vote that way again. I'd imagine there are many other who have now seen the initial consequences and backtracking from Leave camp that would be quite happy to stay in EU.
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Some might be prepared to take it. I only know 1 leave voter and he already admitted it was a mistake and given a second chance he'd not vote that way again. I'd imagine there are many other who have now seen the initial consequences and backtracking from Leave camp that would be quite happy to stay in EU.
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As opposed to the Leavers who want to return to a time that doesn't exist any longer and expect the rest of Europe to fall in with their wishes and on their terms and to do it all within two years.
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i know that.
but that 350 million a week that the leave side was was going onto the NHS every week .... suddenly looks like it will be need to be divided into many other areas. If our economy was the same then fair enough.
But its not, once article 50 is invoked the £ will plummet again and thats when business will have confirmation to start moving jobs abroad. When that economy takes a hit.......... that £350 million isnt going to cover your losses is it?
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As opposed to the Leavers who want to return to a time that doesn't exist any longer and expect the rest of Europe to fall in with their wishes and on their terms and to do it all within two years.
Trade deals can be knocked up in a few weeks don't you know. Everything will blow over and be fine at some point, somewhere down the line....maybe.
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Sobering wasn't it?
Exactly - the priority has to be the economy. It'll be London, financial centre, encouraging investment and coping with the loss in GDP etc to keep the country going as well as possible. I can't see there being much money left for academia and grants to replace the EU funded ones. Hello tax increases!
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Not with the EU they can't.
Science, education, public services and John from the street will never see a penny of that 250 billion. That exists purely to prop up the banking sector. There are going to be some massively confused people in 2 years time when they see that immigration hasn't gone away and they are now actually worse off. The only saving grace they will have is if the EU implodes so they can at least get a laugh out of that, but then that won't help them put food in the cupboards to feed their kids and turn the heating on in the winter.
I'm fine with my voting choice and would do the same again. The only thing I regret is that, in my opinion the winning margin is too small to be a proper UK-wide mandate and is now likely to make the UK tear itself apart both socially and politically.
In all honesty, before I voted I was fully prepared to accept a remain win so wouldn't be that bothered if we got the meagre concessions that DC negotiated reinstated and didn't invoke article 50. I hate the fact that this would also mean appeasing lots of shouty right-on hipsters but what can you do... *shrug*
I think we were always in for a short-term rough ride either way.
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I voted leave and I feel the exact same as your friend, the amount of backtracking that has already came out from the leave camp.. and it's only been what.. 2 days since the conclusion of the vote?
I feel it was a mistake and if I could go back I would have voted differently.
so not only will the UK be poorer but it will start turning out even more less well educated people. Wow I should have voted leave this sounds like an awesome deal...................
I voted Remain but thought we would be fine outside the European Union (in time), but what makes me incredibly angry right now is that the Leave side appear to have absolutely no idea what the **** they are going to do now.
Boris Johnson looks like he's scared to death. Very reassuring stuff.
Also the sheer misery that seems to have taken hold everywhere is making me and many other people in my circle depressed, including Leave voters. The initial period was always going to be difficult but now that it's actually hit, things feel truly awful.
Boris Johnson looks like he's scared to death. Very reassuring stuff.
Also the sheer misery that seems to have taken hold everywhere is making me and many other people in my circle depressed, including Leave voters. The initial period was always going to be difficult but now that it's actually hit, things feel truly awful.
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My understanding wasn't based on factual numbers, that wasn't the point. The money that they spend back on us is controlled by them, not the rebate which may or may not go to them in the first place.
Our administration costs would be included in our new trade deal. But instead of paying £160m per week (your numbers) we would pay nearer what Norway and Switzerland pay, which is around £100m, with free movement removed.
out of curiosity what exactly made you want to leave and did you do any looking into what the EU did before making that call ?
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The 'will of the people' in Britain is overdramatized by too many junk American TV progs. In the UK it means you get to select your MP from a narrow range of selected candidates once every five years. The same process for your local lot. Most of the population cannot be ***** to even exercise that limited right.
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1) The people who voted leave are not a political party, anyone can say anything it doesn't mean much at all, it was just someone saying they would rather the money be spent on the NHS than trying to prop up failing economics inside the EU, no political party promised to spend an extra £350 million on the already bloated NHS. This has been used to decive people right after the vote and spread confusion and guilt.
2) The £ will go up and down yeah, it always has done after big news, but the UK is a valuable trading partner with no shortage of trade opportunities especially when that the UK doesn't have to rely on 27 other countries to approve any outside trade deals, plus it will have access to the monopolistic single market despite what the remain say.
Someone on QT just made the point (I haven't had a chance to check it out) that we have something like 4% of the worlds scientists, but 16% of it's papers and that is largely down to £8 billion in EU funding to support the sciences.
That is a lot of very highly educated, very productive and very profitable people who if they can't get the jobs here because of funding will have little problem moving to Canada, Australia or even the U.S. as their work often results in a huge amounts of money being made from the application of their research.
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