Brexit thread - what happens next

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The Mad Rapper said:
Interesting read through the papers now on BBC News; the general consensus was that it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Boris (assuming he replaces DC) may be given sufficient incentive by the EU to persuade him not to initiate our departure.

How would you all feel about that?

For me, the devil is always in the detail.
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The incentive would never include removal of free movement, and so while Johnson might take it he will then have mugged off the majority of leave voters who thought they "were taking back control".
 
StriderX said:
Isnt the other actually breach of the peace?

We have no freedom of speech in this country, other wise "hate speech" would be allowed.
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Well you can say you dont agree with something, you cant say your going to kill them because of it, would be handy if you knew the difference between the two :rolleyes:
 
The Mad Rapper said:
Interesting read through the papers now on BBC News; the general consensus was that it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Boris (assuming he replaces DC) may be given sufficient incentive by the EU to persuade him not to initiate our departure.

How would you all feel about that?

For me, the devil is always in the detail.
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I'd rather never see Boris again with the games he's been playing to get the PM seat and if we're staying then DC has no need to leave.

Not that I like DC but I'd be happy to not see Boris.
 
opethdisciple said:
It's as if the realisation that the UK might actually leave gives us some sort of leverage over Europe to renegotiate a better deal.

Anyway, who said we have to base our exit from the EU on preexisting models?

We can come up with the UK model!
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you can come up with what ever model you want, but that model will not include free access to the single market without free movement. Johnson knows that, hell even Farage knows that. So all this talk about we will come up with something that will include single market access would be hot air unless they also in the same sentence state that it also means continued free movement of EU citizens into and out of the UK
 
wildman said:
The incentive would never include removal of free movement, and so while Johnson might take it he will then have mugged off the majority of leave voters who thought they "were taking back control".
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I think you can get away with it though, if you don't drive a bus through the town and tell people that their control has been removed and they need to vote to get it back then they won't care.

The only people who would be making it a large issue are UKIP, and you just need to loosen some bolts on some light aircraft to solve that.
 
Mr Jack said:
Well, he's more kind of advocated both. In that he also says:

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down.​

Which sounds an awful lot to me like free movement. And he also says that all that will change is not being under the ECJ, and plays down the vote having anything to do with immigration which suggests he'd be open to free movement.

I suspect he's gearing up to go into "tough negotiations" promising a points based system and come out with some wishy-washy promise of a possible "emergency brake" that might potentially come into place if EU migration tops some largely implausible number. And, essentially, we'll get our own slightly tweaked version of the Norway option.
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he's not specifically said freedom of movement though and people seem to have skim read the article then jumped to the conclusion that that is what he meant and suddenly he's advocating for EEA or EFTA....

yes he's probably aiming for some concessions and we could end up with some system whereby plenty of EU citizens can still come and live here and vice versa

one example could be the pre-Maastricht Treaty scenario where having a job offer meant you could move.... i.e. no to random Romanians turning up when they please (at least not legally any more) but yes to French bankers wanting to move here with minimum fuss

at least I could see that as a fall back option if his points based system gets rejected outright
 
Macro said:
Out of 60m it is when you consider 3.5m have already signed a petition to re run the referendum, a number which Brexit supporters are calling "insignificant". Cake and eat it springs to mind.
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3.5m is significantly less than 17m, please just stop this... its boring.
 
If Boris or whoever it is don't leave the EU then they've just gave the next GE to UKIP.

Unless some kind of deal is done which enables us to carry on without accepting immigrants, can't see that happening.

Junckers is the one who needs to be shot, stubborn, corrupt old *******.
 
dowie said:
he's not specifically said freedom of movement though and people seem to have skim read the article then jumped to the conclusion that that is what he meant and suddenly he's advocating for EEA or EFTA....

yes he's probably aiming for some concessions and we could end up with some system whereby plenty of EU citizens can still come and live here and vice versa

one example could be the pre-Maastricht Treaty scenario where having a job offer meant you could move.... i.e. no to random Romanians turning up when they please (at least not legally any more) but yes to French bankers wanting to move here with minimum fuss

at least I could see that as a fall back option if his points based system gets rejected outright
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he can suggest that system, but again as it doesn't constitute Free Movement as laid out under the EU legislation then it means no free single market access.
 
wildman said:
The incentive would never include removal of free movement, and so while Johnson might take it he will then have mugged off the majority of leave voters who thought they "were taking back control".
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Welcome to Planet Boris, this is exactly how he does things as his track record in London shows. Says one thing, does another. Moves in one direction, sees trouble, acts the clown to deflect attention and slips like an eel in another direction.

Perhaps the rest of the UK aren't quite so familiar with his antics as Londoners. It isn't any real surprise the Remain vote was so high in London - it was always going to be high, but knowledge of Boris certainly pushed it higher.
 
Macro said:
Out of 60m it is when you consider 3.5m have already signed a petition to re run the referendum, a number which Brexit supporters are calling "insignificant". Cake and eat it springs to mind.
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The petition has been outed as a bot script run by 4chan/anonymous "for the lulz"
 
The Mad Rapper said:
1.4 million is not a slim lead.
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not in percentage terms no...

you can see where this is going though - Boris is going to sell himself as the unity leader... he's then going to pitch the idea of a hybrid deal as a compromise and nod to the fact that nearly half the country wants to stay... so he'll also then have an excuse as to why he's going to end up with a deal whereby plenty of EU citizens will still be able to move here quite easily
 
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