Brexit thread - what happens next

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SO what will we sell then? ;)
When inwards investment stops and external companies stop expanding in the UK and ship their business abroad?
Will we ask James Dyson the leave campaigner to move his production back to the UK?

You do know that Dyson is no doubt better off in a non EU world? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rope-to-avoid-being-dominated-by-Germans.html

Whilst it is obvious our future is not over priced vacuum cleaners or hair dryers, it's worth a read.. be interesting to see if he still sticks to his guns.. he claims his growing market is outside the EU who do behave as he suggests, I can attest I've worked with ex test engineers at Dyson who have explained a pretty woeful tale of cat and mouse with the EU on standards
 
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Even so he does make some very good points and opens up quite a bit of information on the trade deals and how bad things can be for a lot of industries inside the EU due to protectionism within those free trade deals.


Saw JRM today discussing a dinner he'd had at the Taiwanese embassy, he said they'd be very keen on a trade deal and we'd be first in the queue - words to that effect anyway.

Just in case you missed it.
 
I know it isn't the popular opinion, but I quite like Farage.

I think his attitude makes a change from most politicians, and, say what you like, he's taken us out of the EU almost single-handedly.

Disappointed with David Cameron, he's essentially thrown the towel in. He can't guarantee the referendum won't be ignored as he won't be in power to ignore it, when the time comes.

As for the rest of the leave campaign, still nothing from them with regards to a plan?! Oh dear.
 
Sorry i disagree.

It doesnt matter what size trade blok you are in. or even if you are in any at all.

If you have something that the other guy wants to buy.... you sell them it, and vice versa

The Chinese love a Swiss watch. The Swiss want to trade with China.

Sounds simple yes?

Go and read about what Switzerland has had to concede.
 
Look at history and the American juggernaut. It has imposed all kinds of one way deals on countries, numerous examples in South America. They will even destabilise and take over a country that then objected, South America again. This is not some benign world and gentleman's agreements A lot of protests at the moment about the FTAA an on going trade deal which started in 1994 and has not been concluded. This gives an example of how long it takes to made treaties.

Shocking and sad. I really don't understand that mentality. I'd rather see a potential trade partner with a strong economy and populace than dictate more favourable terms for myself just because I happen to be in a better position at the time of negotiation. I can't accept it's human nature to do that either, because that's tarring everyone with same brush.

It is not selling the UK short. It is reality. We have not needed any for 40 years as the EU did it for us.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what it means by skilled labour? I think engineers, doctors/consultants, scientists etc when I hear skilled labour? I can't believe there are no English doctors, engineers, scientists etc!

If that is what is meant by skilled labour then granted, I accept we may need more than we have "locally" so to speak, but this might be the kick up the bum we need to focus on getting more people into those fields?
 
As for the rest of the leave campaign, still nothing from them with regards to a plan?! Oh dear.

I don't quite know what people expect to be published at this point given that article 50 hasn't been triggered and the EU commission president has banned any unofficial prelim talks until that point

one oversight is Cameron ordering the civil service to not come up with a contingency for brexit but we seem to have a few months in which to do so now before triggering article 50 and formal talks... other than that there aren't too many definitive claims that can be made as we don't yet know who the new PM will be and we haven't even started negotiating
 
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I'm not the greatest admirer of Jacob Rees-Mogg, but he outright came out and said that he was a member of the establishment like any other on live telly. No acts. No bull. No pints or fags. He might take his nanny on the campaign trail, but at least he doesn't mis-sell who he is.



I could listen to him all day, precise, unemotional, very well informed and holds forth as well as any politician I can remember.

There's no hype there's no nonsense and he knows the parliamentary processes like the back of his hands.

Leave would have walked it if he had been front and centre.

Same here.

I always get the feeling he could make any man **** his pants in around 5 seconds, and when he stands up in his little corner where he sits in the commons you feel the anticipation in the air :)
 
I know it isn't the popular opinion, but I quite like Farage.

I think his attitude makes a change from most politicians, and, say what you like, he's taken us out of the EU almost single-handedly.

Achieving something like that by a sustained campaign of lies, misinformation, scapegoating and flirting with mass hatred is not something to be celebrated.
 
I don't quite know what people expect to be published at this point given that article 50 hasn't been triggered and the EU commission president has banned any unofficial prelim talks until that point

one oversight is Cameron ordering the civil service to not come up with a contingency for brexit but we seem to have a few months in which to do so now before triggering article 50 and formal talks... other than that there aren't too many definitive claims that can be made as we don't yet know who the new PM will be and we haven't even started negotiating



Absolutely, DC arrogant and asleep at the wheel.

Clear dereliction of duty.
 
I don't quite know what people expect to be published at this point given that article 50 hasn't been triggered and the EU commission president has banned any unofficial prelim talks until that point

one oversight is Cameron ordering the civil service to not come up with a contingency for brexit but we seem to have a few months in which to do so now before triggering article 50 and formal talks... other than that there aren't too many definitive claims that can be made as we don't yet know who the new PM will be and we haven't even started negotiating

Do we even know if a new Conservative PM could command an effective majority?
 
Saw JRM today discussing a dinner he'd had at the Taiwanese embassy, he said they'd be very keen on a trade deal and we'd be first in the queue - words to that effect anyway.

Just in case you missed it.

That is the Thing, A lot of places would like to make deals with us but we are hindered in the EU.

we can still trade with them under WTO rules as is etc but being in the EU we have to put a standard tariff set by the EU on everything under Customs union policy. which in the end can cost the UK consumer and industries more in the end when being in the EU compared to being outside. Since those EU customs union policies could place higher than WTO tariffs on some external trade that would be in competition with something an EU state produces the most of. Such as food in Frances case.
 
Achieving something like that by a sustained campaign of lies, misinformation, scapegoating and flirting with mass hatred is not something to be celebrated.

That is generally what politicians do though, look at both campaigns, one was led by a serving Prime Minister.
 
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