Brexit thread - what happens next

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LOAM said:
In the event of a GE, which is either likely or unlikely depending on who you watch, myself and the misses will be voting for which ever party sets out its mandate to not invoke A50. I don't care what its other policies are tbh (within reason) or past misdemeanors, they would get my vote.
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I think a lot of people are thinking the same.
 
Cosimo said:
It won't abe a rerun. Whoever negotiates the leaving terms will have to lay out those terms before the electorate and then let them decide on whether they accept those terms as the future for the country.

A discredited cabinet cannot make that decision and I hope that we get to choose a new government before they go off to negotiate for us and then let us take that final decision.
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I see Stephen Crabb and Sajid Javid who has put their hat in for leader on a joint ticket says that the red line is immigration. They said people voted for control of immigration in the referendum and we cant go back on that.

When asked whether two years down the line and the eu wouldnt budge on freedom of movement, which would they give up on? Access to the trade market or freedom of movement but they wouldnt commit. Said its irrelevant as it would never come to that, they would get a deal without freedom of movement.

We shall she but if we come out of this with full access to the EEA and no freedom of movement then it will be a blinding deal.
 
h4rm0ny said:
The EU are strongly indicating that they wont give us that choice. They're saying trigger Article 50 or shut-up, no informal talks and backroom negotiation. Cameron already secured a bunch of concessions (or as it's seen in Europe, special treatment). That's it. Only options left are to trigger Article 50 and leave, or ignore the Referendum vote.
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No its not. Yes trigger Article 50 but then you have to negotiate your leave. Or do we not want access to the EU market??????
 
BuffetSlayer said:
But the SNP were a political party and their leaders were in support of independence. Which major party was in support of leaving Europe? None.

Agreed there was an official leave campaign but what could they promise? None of them were in a position to make any negotiations if we left europe and were really at the behest of the actions of the people they opposed.

Of course, I think it is also they case that they not only didn't expect to win, they didn't really want to.
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They didn't have to promise anything - they only had to outline a potential plan and the options in key areas, if you want a "change" in an in/out referendum the onus should be on you to say what that change is!

The amount of criticism the SNP got following their manifesto was amazing and it helped people to see the complexities and risks - there was some real substance to the argument, other yes supporter also produced plans

At the moment we have a vote which has a completely unknown, unplannned, unimagined reality based on the incoherent dreams of middle england - none of which seem to be able to be delivered by the vote
 
Greebo said:
We shall she but if we come out of this with full access to the EEA and no freedom of movement then it will be a blinding deal.
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It would require Hollywood class negotiating and become a precedent for every other EU county. They may as well abolish the EU as agree to that because the scramble for the door would be so fast there would be no one left in the building to arrange a similar deal with.

It would be like going to Tesco and making a deal that meant you never had to pay for anything ever.
 
Errol said:
lol.

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Nah,

More important things exist that we should make referendum.
a) Redo the Battle of Hastings, win it and send the Normans packing back to France.

or
b) Revoke the independence of our colonies and impose the British Empire rule across them.
 
Greebo said:
No its not. Yes trigger Article 50 but then you have to negotiate your leave. Or do we not want access to the EU market??????
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the eu cant block access to the single market, what they can do is enforce tariffs on our access nothing more.
 
BubbySoup said:
A quick Google will give you some answers. The UK government has lost quite a lot of cases brought in front of the EU courts.
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That answers the question only of what cases the UK has lost. That wasn't what you were asked: what judgements do you think were wrong or harmful? And why?
 
LOAM said:
It would require Hollywood class negotiating and become a precedent for every other EU county. They may as well abolish the EU as agree to that because the scramble for the door would be so fast there would be no one left in the building to arrange a similar deal with.

It would be like going to Tesco and making a deal that meant you never had to pay for anything ever.
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But but thats what the first candidate for PM is saying they will try and get. He says EU referendum was all about immigration and that is the one area the government cannot shift on its negotiations.

SO who is right? Im sure I saw it it said the referendum was nothing to do with immigration?
 
BubbySoup said:
A quick Google will give you some answers. The UK government has lost quite a lot of cases brought in front of the EU courts.
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Indeed, Google is your friend.

But, in a nutshell, the ECHR and ECJ have a clear objective to further integrate into Europe the member states and has been becoming more involved with UK law and policies over time. This is worrying because the UK has lost so many cases against these courts in important sovereign decisons like taxation and security, business and commerce and policing. When an external and largely untouchable force starts dictating what your government can and can't do it is perhaps time to look at your options.
 
Trifid said:
I did go to edit it to include the 250 but decided my statement was still factual. They are increasing but the 250 took a real battering and is increasing slower then the 100.
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The 250 is what matters and has only recovered slightly from close of business on monday and worse than it was on Friday after the referendum. The pound has barely moved and has been bouncing around 1.33-1.44 for days, that's not increasing.

I'm just pointing out that they can't really be used as a sign of anything when movement is so slight.
 
I just heard on BBC radio 5 live that Farage was interviewed by Swedes and he said you could be next. He said 'Sexit' which given the mood, apparently didn't get any laughs :D
 
the_r_sole said:
They didn't have to promise anything - they only had to outline a potential plan and the options in key areas, if you want a "change" in an in/out referendum the onus should be on you to say what that change is!

The amount of criticism the SNP got following their manifesto was amazing and it helped people to see the complexities and risks - there was some real substance to the argument, other yes supporter also produced plans

At the moment we have a vote which has a completely unknown, unplannned, unimagined reality based on the incoherent dreams of middle england - none of which seem to be able to be delivered by the vote
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They did propose a plan.

Controls on immigration, increased spending by spending the money we spend on Europe in the UK instead, laws and policies based on the needs of Britain and not what the EU think should happen.

So on and so forth. I am not for a minute saying it was particularly great, but yet still they won the vote.

Perhaps the win was more due to leave voters having an optimistic outlook and a fundamental belief in Britain that remain voters lack? Perhaps they didn't need in depth analysis because they had faith? Perhaps the did need in depth analysis and now regret the direction of their votes? Perhaps they were fed up of being told they can't do something because doom and armageddon combined will fall upon them? Perhaps they were just stupid. Perhaps they didn't care?

Who knows?
 
I think when article 50 drops we'll see the real effects. Not sure how they'll be though.

BuffetSlayer said:
They did propose a plan.

Controls on immigration, increased spending by spending the money we spend on Europe in the UK instead, laws and policies based on the needs of Britain and not what the EU think should happen.
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Hasn't all that plan already been reversed?
 
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