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Imagine if his EU speech was instead of

"you all laughed at me when I started, your not laughing now are you !!".

was

"you all laughed at me when I started, through the constant hunger of wanting a closer political union, you have just pushed the UK out of the block".

This small change or something similarly better :) would have had a more impact.
 
Nah he gave as good as the EU have given him over the years. They deserved it and his speech was one of the greatest in recent politics as far as I'm concerned.
 
Six6siX said:
The one reiterated throughout the campaign.
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Which was?

You are not answering because you know I'm going to hit back with the foreign offices own admission as well as multiple remarks from Cameron saying we are doing everything to help Turkey become a member.

That stance has been emphatically and empirically proven to be a false axiom of the highest order.

Lets not kid ourselves here S6S. Truth is truth.
 
RaohNS said:
Which was?

You are not answering because you know I'm going to hit back with the foreign offices own admission as well as multiple remarks from Cameron saying we are doing everything to help Turkey become a member.

That stance has been emphatically and empirically proven to be a false axiom of the highest order.

Lets not kid ourselves here S6S. Truth is truth.
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No, I know what was said including the UK's own involvement out there too. There's no doubt Turkey was/is en route to becoming a member but with a significant amount of work and opposition ahead nothing like that was ever guaranteed.

Therefore, I don't think it's reasonable to say that Turkey joining the EU in the future after we remove our influence over the situation is valid cause for a 'told you so'. It's a completely different timeline!
 
Cant believe Nigel had the gall to say the MEPs never had a proper job when many are accomplished and well established figures in the previous fields. As far as i am concerned, he is the one that neglected his job by rarely turning up to eu parliament and trying to be disruptive as possible by opposing eu decisions for the sake of causing friction.
 
Six6siX said:
No, I know what was said including the UK's own involvement out there too. There's no doubt Turkey was/is en route to becoming a member but with a significant amount of work and opposition ahead nothing like that was ever guaranteed.

Therefore, I don't think it's reasonable to say that Turkey joining the EU in the future after we remove our influence over the situation is valid cause for a 'told you so'. The situation has changed completely!
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No. My point was that to enable the EU to hold power in the event of a Brexit their solution will be expansion.

Turkey will not have to hit all requirements or targets of the EU in order to join. That is fallacy.

So you are trying to argue that if Britain had stayed, Turkey would never have been able to join? Because I would presuppose DC said so? Despite every piece of formality from Government Departments categorically stating they were seeking Turkey accession to the EU?
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Cant believe Nigel had the gall to say the MEPs never had a proper job when many are accomplished and well established figures in the previous fields. As far as i am concerned, he is the one that neglected his job by rarely turning up to eu parliament and trying to be disruptive as possible by opposing eu decisions for the sake of causing friction.
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What power do MEPs have?
 
RaohNS said:
What about Cyprus? Turkey holds a fair number of cards here.
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Turkey will never join the EU while Cyprus is unresolved
Its been 42 years so far - no sign of anything changing

Also Erdogan worming back to Putin straight after the referendum result shows you Turkey being less optimistic about getting into Europe
 
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SciNeT said:
+1. Nigel campaigned over 2 decades for our ability to decide our own destiny, I'd imagine most British people want to see him knighted for his efforts.

'Sir Nigel' would be the icing on the Brexit cake.
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Troll much? Poor effort although you got a few bites!
 
RaohNS said:
.... If the EU does not accept them they will instantly lose £60bn from one small sector and at least £20bn from an even smaller sector. And that's just from Germany.
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As you say, they will lose a lot of money. However in giving the middle finger what position will this country be? However bad it'd be for Europe it'd be far worse for the UK.
 
RaohNS said:
No. My point was that to enable the EU to hold power in the event of a Brexit their solution will be expansion.

Turkey will not have to hit all requirements or targets of the EU in order to join. That is fallacy.

So you are trying to argue that if Britain had stayed, Turkey would never have been able to join? Because I would presuppose DC said so? Despite every piece of formality from Government Departments categorically stating they were seeking Turkey accession to the EU?
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Not at all. I'm saying is that the Turkey situation with the UK as part of the EU is different to a post Brexit EU. So actually I'm agreeing with you on that :p - the situation is different now so priorities are different.

What I don't agree with is this:

At the point Turkey becomes eligible (and remember they don't even have to comply with all the principles of the EU acceptance) the leave campaign can categorically say. Remainers have been and were wrong and the politicians who gave assurances lied completely.
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because Turkey joining the EU post Brexit is of no relevance to the message the Remain campaign because it's a completely different situation.
 
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