Brexit thread - what happens next

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Mauller said:
it is not that people did not want electoral reform, we just did not want some ridiculously more complicated halfway house. And AV is still far from PR as FPTP as your most preferable choice is not taken into account if they get a low number of votes in your area. But in the country as a whole their could have been a large number of votes meaning that your preferable choice is just as unlikely to get an MP as with FPTP.

essentially AV is just FPTP but with a second and maybe third round of voting if no clear winner is seen.
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There are massive massive problems with pr which results in hung parliaments all the time and nothing gets done. A bit like the criticism of the eu with 27 members all to please. When you have 10+ different parties all with seats in the House of Commons and no one party with a majority or even two parties together with one, then you get to a stage for any law to be introduced you have to do deals and compromises so everything stagnates or something that perhaps was overall good for the country doesn't get passed cause the ukip or greens both didn't like it.
 
The_Abyss said:
Could a more level-headed, calmer mood see us negotiate to stay in the EU on improved terms, ignoring the referendum result but getting the same thing? Would public frustration at inaction supersede the normal apathy and would the mood kick off and force a trigger of Article 50?
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What about all the other countries when they see the UK trying to cherry pick?
It is a self inflicted mess. Just watched Nigel Evans say we should come out of all treaties. :eek:
 
Mauller said:
Top Job, european MEP's starting to show their true faces. Glad we are coming out considering that in 2014, out of 576 motions passed in the European parliament we were outvoted on ~485 of them with little support from other countries.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...-are-outvoted-time-and-again-in-Brussels.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...tvoted-EU-Council-VoteWatch-Europe-study-MEPs

How EU MEP's are starting to treat ours. along with the other anti british sentiment going around in brussels.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mpaign-intimidation-Brussels-post-Brexit.html
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Oh would that be the 485 motions the farage and the other ukip meps didn't bother to turn up and vote on? Don't whinge about losing the vote if you didn't even bother voting!
 
Mauller said:
They class it as a direct repayment, but you might as well consider the EU funded initiative money as part of our rebate considering we are essentially paying directly for it anyway.

Since we are paying for it anyway, we can still keep funding the areas that the EU were apparently funding.

Although i agree with our MEP's that there should be a cap to quite a few of the areas such as the farm subsidy money. It was british MEP's that wanted a 30k cap in payments for subsidies to farmers since larger corporate farms are taking the largest chunks at over 100k a year for some. Yet that legislation was outvoted on in EU parliament when the whole point of the subsidy was to help smaller and poorer farmers yet it is helping to bank roll large corporate farms more than anything.
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And did farage and the other ukip meps turn up to vote on that one?
 
Greebo said:
Yeah successive governments have ignored manufacturing and concentrated on services such as the financial sector. Whereas Germany took the manufacturing route.

We make very little nowadays and even then a lot of it is just for foreign companies such as Toyota who have 8 factories in Europe to switch their production too if it suits.

Makes us very vulnerable imo
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It does. Puts the control in Brussels hands as they finance a lot of it. Sure it makes for a more 'equal' 'country' if you think of the EU in that way. However dependence on the EU is created and it's another step towards a United States Of Europe.

We've lost what, as a country, was part of our national pride. Slowly eroded away.
 
John40 said:
If one side decides to march in favour of ignoring the vote why shouldn't the side who won legitimately march as well.
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Marching is fine but several UKIP supporters on here have never mentioned marching. They have said the streets will be swimming with blood.:rolleyes:
 
n111ck said:
I think the EU will back down eventually as immigration needs reforming regardless of Brexit and ultimately is the "principle of freedom of movement" really worth billions wiped off the worlds economy?
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I think you may have been right if Britain had not taken a tantrum. The number of immigrants would have led to some agreement within the EU against freedom of movement in specific instances. Now we have the UK saying do it our way or else we will leave. Can't see the rest accepting that.
 
Rroff said:
We could always go back to our Imperialist roots :O don't think some would be happy about that heh.

In the future as someone mentioned we'd really have to focus on value added/high end products (which is going to mean people actually stumping up some real money in investment and taking some risks) in both manufacturing and the service industry rather than try to compete with the power houses that can pump out cheap tat in mass volume.
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And that is an area that is going to be hit hard by leaving the EU.

A lot of the best scientific institutions in the country either rely directly on being in the EU (funding for research coming from EU grants after proposals from here), or indirectly because of things like the ease of working with other research bases on the continent thanks to the ease of movement and shared regulations.

It's these sorts of groups that have brought a lot of the high tech, high income "idea" factories by creating stuff then licencing it out and starting on new stuff.
And because they're getting money they can afford to employ more people both for the higher paid jobs (and putting it back into research), and the service side of things.

We can't compete on manufacturing lower tech/bulk stuff due to wages and things like actual environmental and safety laws (the sort of working conditions common in some countries were banned here in the late 1900's), but we are a world leader in actual research, development and specialist technologies*, something that is now at serious risk.


*From memory despite our lack of a space programme as such, we have some very highly regarded companies that make satellites and specialist bits for various space agencies
 
pioneer2000 said:
God is this STILL going on?!

The leave vote won. No amount of complaining will change that.
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Exactly. It's like remain campaigners have become King Canute in reverse, stood in the water frantically waving their arms and shouting GO BACK whilst the tide of public opinion ebbs away from the EU.
 
pioneer2000 said:
God is this STILL going on?!

The leave vote won. No amount of complaining will change that.
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I couldn't agree more. We just need to get on with it. 40,000 people marching in London makes no difference as over 17 million people have voted to leave. If we don't leave now then it is the end of democracy in this country.
 
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