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phil675 · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:16

TechMinerUK said:
No, she's saying that the proportion of immigrants that perform those actions will be similar to the proportion of Germans.

In other words, some people are terrible but that doesn't mean we brand the entire category as terrible

Yes ok. But you would agree that rapist migrants are still a concern when we have open borders to Europe? And to laugh it off as racism is wrong?

a1ex2001 · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:17

phil675 said:
Well that's what your saying. Immigrants raping doesn't matter because native Germans do it too?

That's not what anyone is saying of course it matters but treating it differently from a much worse problem with native males and sexual assault makes no sense and stopping immigration makes even less sense when most of the perpetrators of the attacks you list are asylum seekers who we are bound to accept by international law.

The sensationalist reporting of a problem in Germany has very little bearing on the situation in our country, the funiest thing out of this for me is that if we control EU migration we will inevitably see an increase in foreign particularly commonwealth immigration so we will be swapping mainly white eastern Europeans for Asians and Africans which I couldn't care less about but will no doubt terrify all the right wing fear mongers, imagine some of them may even be Muslims! :rolleyes:

RDM · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:21

lafemmefatale said:
I get the impression this individual knows that the reported crime statistics for this kind of offence over the same time frame will show that there's actually nothing to be worried about as a vast proportion of sexual assault and rapes are carried out by native white men.

But hey, let's not let that get in the way of whipping up fear of those raping, pillaging dark-skinned funny-speaking types.

I get the sentiment behind this post but I am not sure that, when talking about rape, the phrase "nothing to be worried about" is all that helpful.

lafemmefatale · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:21

phil675 said:
Well that's what your saying. Immigrants raping doesn't matter because native Germans do it too?

No honey, that's what YOU'RE saying. You're simply repeating your twisted interpretation of my point and attributing it to me.

lafemmefatale · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:22

phil675 said:
Yes ok. But you would agree that rapist migrants are still a concern when we have open borders to Europe? And to laugh it off as racism is wrong?

Rapists are a concern, full stop. Where they're from is irrelevant.

RDM - I could have worded that better I agree. However I've addressed it above.

SciNeT · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:24

phil675 said:
So if those migrants hadn't made their way over to Germany, those women and girls would have just been raped by whitey instead? So it doesn't matter?

If those so called "refugees" were back in their own Islamic countries then Cologne would have been just another New Years Eve for Germans. How on earth Merkel did not see it coming when everyone else could is mind boggling.

Destination · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:24

TechMinerUK said:
No, she's saying that the proportion of immigrants that perform those actions will be similar to the proportion of Germans doing the same thing.

In other words, some people are terrible but that doesn't mean we brand the entire category as terrible

Do that stats actually demonstrate this?
Is there no difference in rapey culture between indigenous and immigrant in Germany?

Edit
Either way, us leaving the eu will not help or prevent such behaviours anyway, they imported masses of immigrants, we refused them thus far, ours were already here in rape gangs in various towns, nothing ti do with war migration.

phil675 · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:24

a1ex2001 said:
That's not what anyone is saying of course it matters but treating it differently from a much worse problem with native males and sexual assault makes no sense and stopping immigration makes even less sense when most of the perpetrators of the attacks you list are asylum seekers who we are bound to accept by international law.

You cannot say there is no link between a total failure of the EU asylum policy in the last year and this spike in sexual offenses. People are understandably worried when you have headlines like Rotherham, that these people flooding into Germany may make their way here.

Based on how awfully the EU handled this mass movement of people, I cannot put any faith any systems to control where these people can and can't go.

Nitefly · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:24

I think I'm pretty much 'invincible' from the effects of EU migrants jobwise, but (not that this is currently under discussion) I don't really feel that EU migrants have eroded Bristish cultural identity either. Perhaps this is because of my age (>30).

Do leave voters on this forum feel like EU migrants have eroded their cultural identity? I'm curious as to whether this is a thing.

lafemmefatale · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:26

phil675 said:
...total failure of the EU asylum policy in the last year and this spike in sexual offenses...

Could you provide a reputable link to official sources describing the spike in these types of offences?

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:29

phil675 said:
Yes ok. But you would agree that rapist migrants are still a concern when we have open borders to Europe? And to laugh it off as racism is wrong?

No more of a concern than local rapists. Should we just kick out all men from England than?

Surely the it would make sense to just deny the criminals, as we have done previously. There have been cases of criminals entering but that is not the fault of free movement but rather the fault of our border controls failing to do their job correctly. We have all the tools and power required to refuse entry to the UK to anyone who may seem a danger/thread/security risk.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...inals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims

a1ex2001 · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:31

phil675 said:
You cannot say there is no link between a total failure of the EU asylum policy in the last year and this spike in sexual offenses. People are understandably worried when you have headlines like Rotherham, that these people flooding into Germany may make their way here.

Based on how awfully the EU handled this mass movement of people, I cannot put any faith any systems to control where these people can and can't go.

They are refugees and asylum seekers you can't turn them away and now your throwing in Rotherham a totally different situation which was basically a total failure of police and local authority. You clearly have an issue with immigration and you are using these incidents to justify it, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Destination · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:33

Nitefly said:
I think I'm pretty much 'invincible' from the effects of EU migrants jobwise, but (not that this is currently under discussion) I don't really feel that EU migrants have eroded Bristish cultural identity either. Perhaps this is because of my age (>30).

Do leave voters on this forum feel like EU migrants have eroded their cultural identity? I'm curious as to whether this is a thing.

EU immigration was one of the best things to happen in Norn Iron, even if just short term, it made our equivalent of racists (sectarians) look around at the big world outside of their own inbred communities, see all these white people who did not remotely care what religion you were, this confused them. They also came here and worked, instead of failing at school and aponging of the system while working in the black economy occasionally. This confused them.
They hung out flags during football tournamensts that were not red white and blue, or green white and orange, or some various subset of sectarianism. They had to go look up what these flags were, this confused them.

Now eventually a bit of inherent racism emerged, and certain areas had issues with racial attacks in car, slogans on houses. This is unfortunate, and then when our DUP told people to vote leave to save their culture, stop the foreigners, this can be misconstrued by people who are already confused as their old tradational hates had to take a back seat.

I hope that hate doesn't become worse in the aftermath of this decision. Let them stay confused, they are much less of a problem that way, some of them now even look into training and education instead of doing nothing.

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:34

I just dont understand why people feel the need to find reasons so they can be open on their hate of foreigners.

I can understand upsides to lowering immigration but there is a fine line between listing potential ups and downs to less foreigners and foaming at the mouth shouting ' herp derp brownie rapists'

lafemmefatale · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:35

a1ex2001 said:
They are refugees and asylum seekers you can't turn them away and now your throwing in Rotherham a totally different situation which was basically a total failure of police and local authority. You clearly have an issue with immigration and you are using these incidents to justify it, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Same as most people of that inclination. Once the cracks begin to appear, the fetid stink of racism seeps out.

phil675 · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:36

Avenged7Fold said:
No more of a concern than local rapists. Should we just kick out all men from England than?

Surely the it would make sense to just deny the criminals, as we have done previously. There have been cases of criminals entering but that is not the fault of free movement but rather the fault of our border controls failing to do their job correctly. We have all the tools and power required to refuse entry to the UK to anyone who may seem a danger/thread/security risk.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...inals-allowed-free-entry-uk-vote-leave-claims

We could bar criminals but at the moment we can't just ring up Syria and ask them, especially without a way to prove their identity, or if their details are not taken at all which happened at the European borders.

a1ex2001 said:
You clearly have an issue with immigration

I have a problem with mass, open immigration because of the problems it brings.

lafemmefatale · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:38

Any chance of the reputable source I asked for earlier, or are we still hyperbolic?

TechMinerUK · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:39

phil675 said:
We could bar criminals but at the moment we can't just ring up Syria and ask them, especially without a way to prove their identity, or if their details are not taken at all which happened at the European borders.
I have a problem with mass, open immigration because of the problems it brings.

So because of the idiots we deny those who are in genuine need and let them go back to the potential blood bath that was Syria?

StriderX · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:39

Why doesnt London take all the refugees then?

They have no uses anywhere else afterall, London is the only place in England that deserves any notice right? Right guys?

Nah instead seemingly it was worth it for all the Refugees to go to literally everywhere else, hilarious.

Its funny the contempt the City has for the rest of the country, and seemingly surprised when the country bites back.

Avenged7Fold · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:41

Send them to the most expensive and densely populated place in the UK?

Yeah sounds like a very effective way to empty our wallets