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[phil675]

Any chance of the reputable source I asked for earlier, or are we still hyperbolic?

Breitbart summarizes this report from the German Interior Ministry.

Amongst total offences, non-Germans accounted for 27.6 percent while illegal immigrants and asylum seekers accounted for 5.7 percent. Of homicides, the figures are 29.3%/8.2%, and of sexual assaults, the figures were 20.5%/4.8%.

If you don't like Breitbart you can trawl through the report yourself.

 

[Destination]

Do seem wickedly high figures for general crimes.

 

[phil675]

I asked for a reputable source, not Milo's Propaganda Machine.

The source for the figures is the German Interior Ministry.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890

The German Federal Office of Criminal Investigation (BKA) announced that crimes committed by refugees stood at the same level as those committed by native Germans. These findings are the result of an initial evaluation conducted by the BKA in cooperation with all federal states and commissioned by the Ministry of the Interior.

"The tendencies shown in this evaluation demonstrate that there is no disproportional increase in crime because of the presence of asylum seekers and refugees.".

I believe that the German Federal Office of Criminal Investigation would be a more appropriate source

 

[phil675]

http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-have-not-increased-crime-rate-in-germany/a-18848890





I believe that the German Federal Office of Criminal Investigation would be a more appropriate source

I guess we'll have to rock paper scissors to decide which one is correct.

 

[Arazi]

They are refugees and asylum seekers you can't turn them away and now your throwing in Rotherham a totally different situation which was basically a total failure of police and local authority. You clearly have an issue with immigration and you are using these incidents to justify it, I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Nothing to do with the rapist though.

 

[lafemmefatale]

One is written by the BKA.

One is written on a right-wing propaganda site by someone closely affiliated with UKIP and Farage.

I know which one I'm believing.

 

[phil675]

One is written by the BKA.

One is written on a right-wing propaganda site by someone closely affiliated with UKIP and Farage.

I know which one I'm believing.

Breitbart wrote this report?

http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2016/05/pks-und-pmk-2015.html

 

[Greebo]

Yeah I guess that's just racism





Oh.

Really? Why not put stats out by British white people doing rapes? Jimmy Saville etc?

SO I guess you are one of those who believe we are about to be invaded by a bunch of child rapists then?

 

[lafemmefatale]

Breitbart wrote this report?

http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2016/05/pks-und-pmk-2015.html

Yes. Of course they did.

 

[a1ex2001]

I guess we'll have to rock paper scissors to decide which one is correct.

Lol a choice between a good source and a dodgy one sided source not really needing a game of chance. Just admit you were wrong.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Hmm, i can be classed as foreign, does that mean i am a rapist?

Of course not.

Assuming foreigners are rapists is racist. There is no denying that there rapists who are foreigners but treating all foreigners as if they are rapists because thats what you associate them with; is racist.

 

[phil675]

Really? Why not put stats out by British white people doing rapes? Jimmy Saville etc?

SO I guess you are one of those who believe we are about to be invaded by a bunch of child rapists then?

I think it would have been a good idea to have strict controls on who entered the EU borders when all these people appeared. Or in fact, just following current EU policy would have helped, but it either wasn't enforced or couldn't be enforced because local authorities were overwhelmed combined with the migrants refusing to co-operate.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Sounds like poor border controls are due to the poor management of the border rather than what the EU 'enforces'

 

[sprite1275]

Might be best if we just say all migrants are angels come to do nothing but good for the country they populate.

 

[phil675]

Hmm, i can be classed as foreign, does that mean i am a rapist?

The difference is the immigration office or whatever can probably get your information from your country of origin and make a decision on your eligibility to enter the UK. You would at the very least go through some sort of process.

 

[Billy 2 Sips]

Again you've been sucked into blaming the imigrants the problem is a government that supports the rich and shafts the poor and working class check out the increasing difference between director level pay and the shop floor it is staggering. While you blunder around blaming the imigrants the rich and powerful are laughing at you while they fill their pockets. Wages are not suddenly going to shoot up if you ban imigrants the lovely conservative government you've given such a good mandate to will gradually erode your rights in the name of boosting our post brexit economy while all the while they get richer and we don't. Wake up and smell the coffee it is not imigrants keeping the working class down!

I'm afraid you've got me all wrong.

I'm actually pro immigration, my father is an immigrant.

What I'm against is uncontrolled low skilled mass immigration, which forces us to impose a discriminatory immigration policy against people from outside the EU.

The current system favours mostly people classed as white europeans.

Surely an immigration system that treats everyone the same no matter where you were born is fairer?

Every other country in the world that has full control of their borders are not racist are they?

Maybe it's actually the remainers who wanted to keep the current system that are racist

Regarding wages, of course they will not shoot up straight away, but if we are able to control the supply of low skilled workers entering then businesses will gradually have a shorter supply of cheap labour.

Gradually wages would rise for low skilled workers and then hopefully governments can stop subsidising businesses with tax credits and the like.

 

[lafemmefatale]

Every other country in the world that has full control of their borders are not racist are they?

Australia just called, they'd like a word.

 

[Billy 2 Sips]

Australia just called, they'd like a word.

What about every other country with full border control?

 

[a1ex2001]

I'm afraid you've got me all wrong.

I'm actually pro immigration, my father is an immigrant.

What I'm against is uncontrolled low skilled mass immigration, which forces us to impose a discriminatory immigration policy against people from outside the EU.

The current system favours mostly people classed as white europeans.

Surely an immigration system that treats everyone the same no matter where you were born is fairer?

Every other country in the world that has full control of their borders are not racist are they?

Maybe it's actually the remainers who wanted to keep the current system that are racist

Regarding wages, of course they will not shoot up straight away, but if we are able to control the supply of low skilled workers entering then businesses will gradually have a shorter supply of cheap labour.

Gradually wages would rise for low skilled workers and then hopefully governments can stop subsidising businesses with tax credits and the like.

I never said border control was racist just that a lot of people who argue for it in the UK are.

Or the tory government the leave movement has legitimised will continue to erode workers rights, boost the pay of the rich and take a massive poo on the poor? The rich have always found a way to keep the working class working class and today they are using immigration to deflect people from the real problems of corporate greed and executive pay!