Farage

[semi-pro waster]

Errr... We were told:

House prices would sky rocket
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I thought it was that house prices would crash but leaving aside questions of accuracy and hyperbole in your list I'd suggest that it's possibly a little bit early to know whether most of the claims made by either side will pan out. Things may or may not turn out as forecast but the impacts of the decision to leave will not all be instantaneous and may have a lead time of years before we can adequately assess them to be positive or negative. Claiming victory or failure regarding most of the claims and statements made seems to me to be a trifle premature.

 

[RaohNS]

Hilarious. Only one of those is true in the slightest. Interesting to see the paranoia implied in the Leave campiagn being reflected in public discourse.

Edit - Ah a Putin apologist as well.
Edit2: and Godwin ! a twofer !

I'm not a Putin apologist but hey at least I am not deluded as to the situation that Russia finds themselves in. If you want to stay in your bubble against all evidence, fine stay there but don't put yourself as the voice of reason or truth because you will sound just like the EU's version of events.

Paranoia? It was operation fear vs operation hope. This has already been demonstrated ad infinitum in the earlier "Voting" posts

I thought it was that house prices would crash but leaving aside questions of accuracy and hyperbole in your list I'd suggest that it's possibly a little bit early to know whether most of the claims made by either side will pan out. Things may or may not turn out as forecast but the impacts of the decision to leave will not all be instantaneous and may have a lead time of years before we can adequately assess them to be positive or negative. Claiming victory or failure regarding most of the claims and statements made seems to me to be a trifle premature.

Spw... I have been saying to lets wait and see since the early phases of the result... It is the remain voters who want the answer to everything yesterday. Equally... Are remain voters (generalizing based on a quite substantial portion) incapable of dealing with uncertainty? Psychologically averse to change is a given but now the change should happen you would think fire and brimstone cometh from the heavens above.

Victory is currently only being claimed on the vote which the averse to change are becoming increasingly repugnant and cantankerous over.

exactly! I would have had more respect for him if he actually put the country's interest first over his "i told you so" gratification in his speech to them.

He did in some respects by telling them to be adults about it (despite evidence so far they are throwing their toys out of the pram) and negotiate a fair trade deal.

We are just the first. Other nations are wanting their own now. This is a project that if the truth was known would never be accepted by the majority.

 

[Arazi]

farage really makes the leave group look bad. looked how he dissed the entire eu parliament just to rub his ego. If he were the bigger guy he would have swallowed it and find an amicable solution to work together. after all we are already leaving the eu no need to take another swipe at them

Farage for PM.

He strikes me as someone with small man syndrome who must prove himself as right at every opportunity.

Arise Sir Nige.

exactly! I would have had more respect for him if he actually put the country's interest first over his "i told you so" gratification in his speech to them.

See above.

 

[Jono8]

The problem with a lot of remain voters, is they see the leave vote as a jump into the dark rather than a step into the light.

It is a total jump into the dark. Jumping into the light would imply everything that is going to happen was illuminated and clear. Even the leave campaigners have no plan or clue what to do or what will happen.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Spw... I have been saying to lets wait and see since the early phases of the result... It is the remain voters who want the answer to everything yesterday. Equally... Are remain voters (generalizing based on a quite substantial portion) incapable of dealing with uncertainty? Psychologically averse to change is a given but now the change should happen you would think fire and brimstone cometh from the heavens above.

Victory is currently only being claimed on the vote which the averse to change are becoming increasingly repugnant and cantankerous over.

Then my apologies for misinterpreting your point, I thought you were suggesting that just because not everything that was forecast or predicted had happened yet that it wouldn't happen at all. I would however agree that there's likely to be a quite considerable period of uncertainty and we won't be able to evaluate all the outcomes for a long time.

See above.

Please use the multi-quote function to avoid spamming the forums with single line posts one after another. I've merged your posts here but will not continue to do so.

 

[RaohNS]

Then my apologies for misinterpreting your point, I thought you were suggesting that just because not everything that was forecast or predicted had happened yet that it wouldn't happen at all. I would however agree that there's likely to be a quite considerable period of uncertainty and we won't be able to evaluate all the outcomes for a long time.
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Np.

Whatever the forecasts say is that. A prediction. The forecast is another miss for Greece between now and September maybe October. The sad situation is that the troika may not even have to do anything as Greek public assets are levied against the debt, thus the nations sovereignty is overuled.

My point as you say is not everything can be predicted. Godzilla hasn't invaded London. Putin hasn't had tanks around Buckingham Palace.

Have we had a jolt in the FTSE... Yes has the upper section recovered? Yes... Will the latter part such as ER recover? Almost certain.

As fact changes, so must opinion

 

[Jono8]

My point as you say is not everything can be predicted. Godzilla hasn't invaded London. Putin hasn't had tanks around Buckingham Palace.

Yes, because that is what everyone expected would happen

 

[Arazi]

Please use the multi-quote function to avoid spamming the forums with single line posts one after another. I've merged your posts here but will not continue to do so.

Fair enough, but i am not spamming, i am replying to posts as i read them whilst catching up with the thread.

 

[RaohNS]

Yes, because that is what everyone expected would happen

Some people did though. Cameron peddled the Russia line quite often.

 

[No1newts]

Farage for PM.



Arise Sir Nige.



See above.

I'm calling troll, but if that's really the sort of person you want given that level of respect I truly despair.

 

[a1ex2001]

I'm calling troll, but if that's really the sort of person you want given that level of respect I truly despair.

Inclined to agree the one line responses intended to irritate and get a response repeated over and over again classic symptoms then again maybe he actually thing a racist xenophobic man with all the class and public speaking abilities of a festering corpse would make a great leader of our country. I hope he's just a troll otherwise he deserves our pity and sympathy.

 

[Greebo]

Well he's going to be ecstatic now that Leadsom has said if she is made PM there might be a place for Farrage on the cabinet or the negotiating team with the EU.

 

[datalol-jack]

Well he's going to be ecstatic now that Leadsom has said if she is made PM there might be a place for Farrage on the cabinet or the negotiating team with the EU.

Does raise a question of his actual loyalty to UKIP, particularly it's Labour-leaning Nuttall tendency. Will he ditch them for power? Will the Tories eat up UKIP? If so, what of the people who would vote UKIP or Labour but never Tory? Though of course, without either Nige, Carswell or both, they might be done for good anyway. More musical chairs ahead!

 

[Greebo]

Course Farrage would take a seat on the cabinet if offered. He wouldnt need to think two seconds.

 

[a1ex2001]

Well he's going to be ecstatic now that Leadsom has said if she is made PM there might be a place for Farrage on the cabinet or the negotiating team with the EU.

Well that will have sunk her campaign, not that she has a hope! She is suppose to be appealing to conservative MP's and party members not playing to the gallery. I will happily join any protest formed if nige is invited to the negotiating table!

 

[phil675]

Does raise a question of his actual loyalty to UKIP, particularly it's Labour-leaning Nuttall tendency. Will he ditch them for power? Will the Tories eat up UKIP? If so, what of the people who would vote UKIP or Labour but never Tory? Though of course, without either Nige, Carswell or both, they might be done for good anyway. More musical chairs ahead!

I'd be happy with a Con-KIP coalition so that UKIP might make the Conservative party actually act like Conservatives. It'll never happen though.

The main problem UKIP has is it's lack of competent people, it does centre around Faragism. But if the Tories are changing their tune because of UKIP, then that's really the only role UKIP need to fill.

 

[a1ex2001]

I'd be happy with a Con-KIP coalition so that UKIP might make the Conservative party actually act like Conservatives. It'll never happen though.

The main problem UKIP has is it's lack of competent people, it does centre around Faragism. But if the Tories are changing their tune because of UKIP, then that's really the only role UKIP need to fill.

More conservative conservatives with an added sprinkling of crazy loons with ridiculous views without the EU to restrict them and you want that? Take it your well off with plenty of investments?

 

[datalol-jack]

More conservative conservatives with an added sprinkling of crazy loons with ridiculous views without the EU to restrict them and you want that? Take it your well off with plenty of investments?

He's probably more on about the social conservatism side of the equation.

 

[a1ex2001]

He's probably more on about the social conservatism side of the equation.

So more Gove banging on about hey great things were in the 50's and trying to turn back the clock while trampling over years of progression with the added ingredient of the often bizarre policies and flip flopping of UKIP ouch!

 

[RaohNS]

I'd be happy with a Con-KIP coalition so that UKIP might make the Conservative party actually act like Conservatives. It'll never happen though.

The main problem UKIP has is it's lack of competent people, it does centre around Faragism. But if the Tories are changing their tune because of UKIP, then that's really the only role UKIP need to fill.

UKIP and Tpry coalition would be worrying imo.

Immigration wise it may work. Beyond that I can only see inheritance tax being somewhat beneficial.